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  • #31
    Originally posted by Markus Aurelius Franzoi View Post
    You might be right about the report referring to Frances Coles. It could be seen as more "awkwardly" mismanaged than Rose Mylett with respect to the Sadler arrest as opposed to thinking Mylett choked to death instead of being strangled. But I don't know if a reporter would call Frances Coles the 7th Ripper murder.

    The People report did also say the reporter inquired in Bromley at Anderson's last place of residence and there was another report that Scotland Yard looked into it and ended up believing the confession was a delusion for the reason that Anderson was at sea at the time of the murder, whichever one it was. Sadler would not have been at sea when Coles was murdered. So unless they were confusing two murders (he reportedly being at sea for other ones), it can't be confusion with him.
    No, obviously Sadler wouldn't fit in all respects what is said about Anderson. But I don't think that stops it being confusion with him. People tend to confuse different things that have one aspect in common, even if other aspects are different, don't they?

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    • #32
      It will be remembered that James Brame said he joined the Annie Speer in Shields in "October 1894". He was only about a month off.

      The Annie Speer sailed from Sunderland on Sept 1, 1894 and arrived in Antofagasta, Chile on Dec 10. (The Standard and Morning Post, Newspapers.com)
      Last edited by Markus Aurelius Franzoi; June 13, 2022, 02:22 AM. Reason: Corrected arrival

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Chris Phillips View Post
        No, obviously Sadler wouldn't fit in all respects what is said about Anderson. But I don't think that stops it being confusion with him. People tend to confuse different things that have one aspect in common, even if other aspects are different, don't they?
        Sadler does fit the bill the most. I have to admit. He also disappeared after his settlement in 1891 and was purported to be going to South America to trade arms. Anyone know which "two South American countries" were supposedly at war in 1891?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Thomas_Sadler

        P.S. It seems that the only South American war in 1891 was the Chilean Civil War. Irony?

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        • #34
          If you ask me, I'd say Anderson's Bromley Ripper story was all made up but it's intriguingly similar to the "Danish Farmhand" in Cranston [Cranford] NJ story to make me wonder if they're the same person. Johannes Anderson is also phonetically similar to Yungstreet Anderson who was arrested in NY and said he was at the East River Hotel the night of the Carrie Brown murder.

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          • #35
            Mark:
            It's no biggie, but it's Cranford NJ. not Cranston. Cranston is in Rhode Island
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Markus Aurelius Franzoi View Post
              It will be remembered that James Brame said he joined the Annie Speer in Shields in "October 1894". He was only about a month off.

              The Annie Speer sailed from Sunderland on Sept 1, 1894 and arrived in Antofagasta, Chile on Dec 10. (The Standard and Morning Post, Newspapers.com)
              So according to the story, Brame had a written confession signed Jack the Ripper and lost it in a shipwreck. So he couldn't have gone back to England on the Annie Speer because it didn't wreck and he'd have had the confession and taken it straight to the English press.

              It appears he did take ill like Anderson and both were left behind in Chile. That much we can surmise for certain if the story is true.

              Then if Johannes Anderson is John Anderson and Brame was there until Johannes died in 1896, they would have been there just over a year. I doubt they were recuperating in hospital the full year so Anderson could have taken a residence and a landlubber job and been supported with a charity benefit.

              Brame would then have shipwrecked sometime in 1896 on the way to the United States where I believe he told his story since he got a nickle or a dime for it.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
                Mark:
                It's no biggie, but it's Cranford NJ. not Cranston. Cranston is in Rhode Island
                I'm definitely not thinking of RI. Maybe the Honeymooners....

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                • #38
                  That was Kramden...Ralph Kramden.
                  Believe it or not, tonight Nina and I just watched the Honeymooner Lost Episodes from 1951 ( pretty drab. IMHO) on Tubi.
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                  • #39
                    One ship that James Brame might have left Chile and been shipwrecked on is the British ship Glenmorag that left Chile and/or Callao, Peru and wrecked in Washington on March 18, 1896. Two crew died.

                    http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ma...96-03-03).html

                    The North-Eastern Daily Gazette of August 24, 1896 said that Brame had just arrived back in England on that date.

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                    • #40
                      In some of the longer renditions of the 'John Anderson' story, Anderson supposedly trained as a surgeon in the U.S. military (the Navy) and this is where he supposedly learned the medical skill that allowed him to commit the Ripper murders.

                      I find this detail interesting, because one can find quite a lot about the man accusing Anderson, James Everard Brame, on Ancestry.com. He is a real person, born in 1847 in Suffolk, and his father really was a surgeon.

                      In 1870, there was a 'James E. Brame' born England in 1847, so undoubtedly the same guy, who enlisted in the U.S. army. He is listed as a 'druggist' and soon afterwards he deserted somewhere in New York City.

                      It makes me wonder if Brame was using slightly altered details of his own biography and projecting them on to 'Anderson.' He--not Anderson--was the enlistee, and it was the Army, not the Navy. He was a trained druggist, not a surgeon.

                      Brame also seems to have deserted from the ship "Wellington" in New York City on 11 August, 1883. He spent a lot of time in hospitals, which is an element of the 'John Anderson' story.

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                      • #41
                        Ancestry has Brame in the Poor Law House near the end so he would want to cash in somehow.

                        I thought the newspapers were the ones guilty of embellishment and using Brame’s personal particulars for Anderson’s. But it’s an interesting possibility you raise of Brame projecting himself onto the Anderson figure maybe to the point of lying.

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                        • #42
                          I'm not sure either one of them is a very convincing match for the man described by Brame, and the 'Charity Two' designation (in the Johanes Anderson record) is a little strange for someone supposedly working for a British company. RJP

                          Charity 2 is actually the name or designation of the cemetery. I had cementerio translated as remarks because I thought it said commentario.

                          So far I have all the hospital deaths in Charity Two.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Markus Aurelius Franzoi View Post
                            Charity 2 is actually the name or designation of the cemetery. I had cemetario translated as remarks because I thought it said commentario.

                            So far I have all the hospital deaths in Charity Two and a home death in Charity One. I need to go through more samples though.
                            Ah, thanks for that.

                            It will be recalled that Brame's "John Anderson" story was making the rounds in August 1896.

                            Less than a month later, September 10, 1896, James Brame, 49, "cook," born Lowestoft, Suffolk, so obviously the same guy, is admitted to the Dreadnought Seaman's Hospital from Liverpool.

                            His complaint is listed as "alcohol" and it looks like he was convalescing for a full 18 days. I'm trying to determine if he was also the James Brame convalescing in a hospital in Mobile, Alabama a few years later.

                            Brame is starting to strike me as a sort of second Robert D'Onston Stephenson character.


                            Brame 3.jpg Brame 4.jpg

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                            • #44
                              I went further own the Brame rabbit-hole last night. Interesting family. The father was a surgeon (evidently in the Army at one time) but seems to have died without too much of an estate. One of Brame's younger brothers ran off to America at the age of only 15 and ended up a heavy-drinking cook in, of all places, Great Falls, Montana, under the alias "Thomas Gray." Why he used a poetic alias is uncertain.

                              Another brother moved to Australia where he committed suicide after the death of his wife. The mother and at least one half-sister stayed in Suffolk and gave music lessons. Another brother was an assistant to a fish-monger.

                              Brame himself seems to have had quite a bit of wanderlust and joined both the U.S. and the British Armies. There are some records at fold3, but I can't access them.

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                              • #45
                                Brame could be a Roslyn D'Onston character - a total fantasist. Then again, couldn't he be someone trying to tell a truthful story and/or believable one while hiding a particular indiscretion? How about desertion and drunkeness? It's the same as any one trying to tell what really happened that doesn't include him murdering or robbing someone.

                                Brame says in the Post 9 article (although the words are faded) that Anderson was sent to the hospital "immediately upon arrival". Then "not long after" Anderson "left the ship", Brame "was taken ill and had to be sent over to the hospital" where he was placed in the next bunk.

                                Obviously, it couldn't have been too long after Anderson left the ship and went to hospital in Chile since the voyage to and from England was, at my count, about 102 days which is about record time. That doesn't give him much time to get sick during the offload and onload, much less recuperate and get back onboard which obviously didn't happen since he says he shipwrecked with the signed confession on the way back.

                                With a history of desertion, isn't it likely that he just jumped ship in Chile and eventually got sick and ended up in hospital with Anderson? Then isn't it possible he shortened the story to make it look like he had time to get back on board the ship or didn't get ill for over a whole year before getting back on a British ship. I think those are about the only alterations or omissions he'd have had to make to cover himself.

                                Brame is quoted as saying he was placed in "a bunk" rather than a bed. This book published the year they arrived says the Iquique hospital was a collection of wooden huts.
                                https://www.google.ca/books/edition/...e&pg=PA390&pri ntsec=frontcover

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