John Anderson

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

I guess it would depend more on how it sounds to a Spanish registrar. Isn’t the sh sound obsolete in Spanish?

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

I guess it would depend more on how it sounds to a Spanish registrar. Isn’t the sh sound obsolete in Spanish?

But think it’s a moot point to debate the particulars of any of the various entries provided by a possible Ripper confessor/fantasist who reportedly said he was variously a sea cook and a ship’s guard as well as a former sailor, and said his father was a surgeon, especially when the person he’s talking to is a cook and the son of a surgeon.

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

Here’s a link to an old street map of Iquique. It shows the hospital near one of the two cemeteries.

It’s from 1895, the same year Brame and his Anderson were reportedly there, and Johannes Anderson was definitely there.

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/786951373/old-iquique-chile-map-1895-vintage

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

I can look at some other civil registrations of foreign deaths and compare to home documents and family trees to see if there are errors in translation, etc.

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

In this example there are a couple of errors by comparison including age given as 6 years older.


Jean Baptiste POISMANS
in Ancestry Family Trees

1855–1895


BIRTH 24 JAN 1855 • Crisnée (Thys),4367,Liège,Wallonie,BELGIQUE,
DEATH 21 MAY 1895 • Iquique, Iquique,Tarapaca,CHILI,

Parents
Pierre Joseph POISMANS
Anne Catherine POISMANS
40 years old
Occupation: 1881 Farmer, 1891 Worker
Status: Married Jul 1891 to Marie Élisabeth ISTA





Juan Bautista Poimans Poismans
in the Chile, Civil Registration, 1885-1903
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• Juan Bautista Poimans Poismans

  b. 1849

  21 Mayo 1895

  Iquique, Iquique, Tarapacá, Chile

  Pierre Poismans

  Catalina Poismans

Belgian
46 years old
Occupation: Farmer
Status: Single
Cause of Death: Balusic Caquedia (?)
Informant: Party of the Admin of the Hospital (?)

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

This was the first and only example I found so far for comparison.

JB Poismans (above) died in the Iquique hospital like John Anderson supposedly did.

With a Belgian accent his mother Catherine becomes Catalina in the Civil Register. Maybe it's something to do with the pronunciation of the letter r.

He was a “employe” or worker at his marriage in Belgium in 1891 and he’s a farmer in the Register. He was listed as a farmer in Belgium in 1881, according to the unsourced Family Tree record but I doubt he was anything other than a farmhand in Chile since he arrived after his marriage in 1891 and he died in 1894.

His age is also 6 years off.

I’ll check for his wife later. P.S. His wife did not join him in Chile. He is listed as single - another inaccuracy.

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

James E Brame
in the Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935

James E Brame

Crew

36

b abt 1847

Suffolk, Virginia, USA

Wellington

Ship

Dep 20 Aug 1883

Liverpool, England

Arr. 5 Feb 1884

Liverpool, England

W865029

Windsor, Nova Scotia

1865

Joined 22 Aug 1883

Liverpool, England

Crew no 5

Signed name

No

Disch. 11 Dec 1883

New York City, New York, USA

Deserted

Last ship Same ship

Co from last ship 3

Steward

By the month

400

Sterling

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

I've always been intrigued (if skeptical) of Brame's story, and it is fantastic to see these records have been digitized, but are we sure this is the right answer?
A sixty-four year old Danish shoemaker--which, the name aside, is quite a stretch for the man described by Brame.

Well, I no longer believe Brame’s story because his W H Corsair shipwreck story proved false.

I think it’s still possible he heard a deathbed confession from the shoemaker Johannes Anderson and he made a “Brame Stoker” story out of it.

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

There are a few Johannes Andersen born in the right year and listed as shoemakers. One decent candidate would be Johannes Vigand or Wigand Andersen, born 1832 in Vejle. The reason he is perhaps a little more relevant than some of the others is that he seems to be no longer listed in census information after 1860. Perhaps indicating that he emigrated.

I think this candidate is worth a look. Since we know that Brame more than spiced up his stories, I don't think we're wedded to the "30 year old sailor" or even that he was on the Annie Speer. The 1896 Civil Record of the 64 year old shoemaker might be the only thing corroborating the story of a John Anderson who died in Iquique c. 1895.


Johannes Wigant Andersen

in the 1860 Denmark Census

Johannes Wigant Andersen

Mandlig (Male)

Ugift (Single)

27

1833

Veile

1860

Residence: Roskilde Købstad, Sømme, København (Kobenhavn), Danmark (Denmark)

Skomagersvend

Lutherske

20

28

Christian Lauritz Godtlib Zahle 37 Skomagermester Karen Emilie F. Dreier 30 Kone (Wife) Ida Schalotte Natalie Zahle 4 Barn (Child) Niels Wilhelm Sophus Zahle 2 Barn (Child) Laiaras Rasmus Møller 42 Skomagersvend Johannes Wigant Andersen 27 Skomagersvend Samuel Johansen 25 Skomagersvend Wilhelm Løitenberger 24 Skomagersvend Niels Peter Jensen 20 Skomagersvend Lauritz Godtlib Dreyer 21 Lærling

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

Skomagersvend translates as shoemaker’s friend. Vend would be friend (or assistant?) and not derived from vendere (sell) as per my wild guess.

[Kattrup]

Skomagersvend translates as shoemaker’s friend. Vend would be friend (or assistant?) and not derived from vendere (sell) as per my wild guess.

Skomager=shoemaker
mester=master
Svend=journeyman

So a skomagermester is an artisan with his own workshop, employing a number of journeymen and apprentices


both svend and ven are etymologically old Nordic words, roots of Sveinn “free man in another’s service” and Vinr “person to whom one is unrelated but whose company one enjoys”
So no Latin vendere, it’s barbary all the way down

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

No shoe salesmen? So no Al Bundys?

Shoemakers/repair men came in second place in the survey of Top Skilled Jobs for serial killers. To include shoe repair, the survey data would have to go back a long way. I believe the results were published in 2018.

https://www.macleans.ca/society/the-preferred-jobs-of-serial-killers-aircraft-machinist-arborist-general-labourer-and-cop/amp/

[R. J. Palmer]

Here’s a link to an old street map of Iquique. It shows the hospital near one of the two cemeteries.

It’s from 1895, the same year Brame and his Anderson were reportedly there, and Johannes Anderson was definitely there.

Here's another link to the same map which can be enlarged to as big as one would wish to go:

File:Iquique 1895.png - Wikimedia Commons

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

I got Johannes Wigant Anderson dying with his middle name spelled Vigand in 1877.

We have to look elsewhere.

https://www.ancestry.ca/discoveryui-content/view/10701097:61607?tid=&pid=&queryId=f3c1380c2ef1b0f1f3cf5aa9c54bdc23&_phsrc=JCM1&_phstart=successSource

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

NAME OF THE APPEARING PARTY [WITNESS/INFORMANT]

name Pedersen Jorje
age thirty-two years
profession trader
domicile Bolivar 111
witness of the identity believed by the officer
confirmed the death by document 41

Iquique.jpg

Jorge Pedersen also appears to be Danish according to this family history. I'm guessing his given name was originally Jørgen.

FAMILIA PEDERSEN - HISTORIA DE VALDIVIA - CHILE

https://historiadevaldivia-chile.blogspot.com › ...
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PEDERSEN KIELMAN 1 JORGE PEDERSEN (DINAMARCA 1874-). CASADO CON MARÍA KIELMAN [VAR. KJELMAN]. HIJOS: 1.1 ANA LUISA PEDERSEN KIELMAN (IQUIQUE