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    Anybody in Sheffield on 6 September?

    http://www.thestar.co.uk/features/my...-cop-1-5987504

    DavidGB
    DavidGB

  • #2
    Originally posted by DGB View Post
    Anybody in Sheffield on 6 September?

    http://www.thestar.co.uk/features/my...-cop-1-5987504

    DavidGB
    Oh no! Not another retired cop! Not another solution!

    Seriously, I hope Mr. Hancock raises lots of £££££ for Sheffield Children’s Hospital.

    The show will at least be "Hancock's Half Hour."
    Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
    https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

    Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
    Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
      Oh no! Not another retired cop! Not another solution!

      Seriously, I hope Mr. Hancock raises lots of £££££ for Sheffield Children’s Hospital.

      The show will at least be "Hancock's Half Hour."
      Hello Chris,

      Well, looking at that article, don't get your hopes up. Apparently it is now all down to simple mathematics.

      No wonder countless historically interested personages over the years have not got the answer.. we should have called on Einstein and then...... bingo!

      He did make one fair point though. There is a sustained feeling of many that some don't want the case solved even if it were possible, due, in part to the attraction of the lire in the industry.

      What those people just don't understand is that even if the case was solved, 100% proof lock stock and barrel, there would be masses of spin-off opportunities for years to come, and what is more, discussions on web sites such as this would flourish.

      6th September.. we all await with tapping fingers and toes....



      Phil
      from 1905...to 19.05..it was written in the stars

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      • #4
        I'm going to try and get there if I can, mainly because it is also in aid of a very good cause...and I'm curious.
        It's rubbish to say no one wants it solved. Plenty of people feel it is already solved but there is no definite proof for any one proposed suspect and no consensus and probably never will be.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Phil Carter View Post
          He did make one fair point though. There is a sustained feeling of many that some don't want the case solved even if it were possible, due, in part to the attraction of the lire in the industry.
          Hi Phil

          With respect, in my 20 years of involvement in Ripperology I have never seen one scintilla of evidence that any person or group of people in the field do not want the case solved -- although the statement keeps getting made.

          It's a myth like fog, the cape, and the top hat.

          Best regards

          Chris
          Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
          https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

          Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
          Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
            I'm going to try and get there if I can, mainly because it is also in aid of a very good cause...and I'm curious.
            It's rubbish to say no one wants it solved. Plenty of people feel it is already solved but there is no definite proof for any one proposed suspect and no consensus and probably never will be.
            Well lets say there are those who would not want it solved. Take for example all the ripper tours that might come to an end, not to mention all those authors who have nailed their colors to the mast over the years saying they knew who it was. These all have financial interests.

            And what about all the documents that people have sought to rely on which they have treated as gospel all these years, if it turned out to be some obscure unknown. This however might show those who have questioned those documents in a much better light.

            The ripper mystery now is as much about who it wasnt at to who it was.

            Of course that brings in another problem with their not being one single killer.

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            • #7
              Are you able to report back Debra? There's some fairly bold claims from Mr Hancock but he's not making money from a book - or indeed his lecture - so they may not be totally worthless claims.

              DavidGB

              Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
              I'm going to try and get there if I can, mainly because it is also in aid of a very good cause...and I'm curious.
              It's rubbish to say no one wants it solved. Plenty of people feel it is already solved but there is no definite proof for any one proposed suspect and no consensus and probably never will be.
              DavidGB

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
                Well lets say there are those who would not want it solved. Take for example all the ripper tours that might come to an end, not to mention all those authors who have nailed their colors to the mast over the years saying they knew who it was. These all have financial interests.
                Ripper tours generally deal with the geography and history of the time and place and tell the victims stories too,don't they? Phil Hutchinson's did anyway when I went on it and it was excellent. I didn't know there was a tour geared to any one suspect? Do we think that people would lose interest in all that if the killer's name were known? If the killer were known it would add more places to visit maybe-if he was a local.
                Don't people generally get paid for work they do in the real world? Doing a suspect book involves research and writing , which is work with an end product- and people usually get paid for that. You talk as if writing brings in millions!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
                  Well lets say there are those who would not want it solved. Take for example all the ripper tours that might come to an end, not to mention all those authors who have nailed their colors to the mast over the years saying they knew who it was. These all have financial interests.

                  And what about all the documents that people have sought to rely on which they have treated as gospel all these years, if it turned out to be some obscure unknown. This however might show those who have questioned those documents in a much better light.

                  The ripper mystery now is as much about who it wasnt at to who it was.

                  Of course that brings in another problem with their not being one single killer.
                  Hi Trevor

                  That sounds like the heated discussion we had here a few months ago about a "clique" or "inner circle" or "in group" in Ripperology but that died a natural death. You've been in the field long enough, Trevor, to know that each and every theory about the case, every so-called answer to who the murderer or murderers was or were, is shot through with holes.

                  Chris
                  Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
                  https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

                  Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                  Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
                    Ripper tours generally deal with the geography and history of the time and place and tell the victims stories too,don't they? Phil Hutchinson's did anyway when I went on it and it was excellent. I didn't know there was a tour geared to any one suspect? Do we think that people would lose interest in all that if the killer's name were known? If the killer were known it would add more places to visit maybe-if he was a local.
                    Don't people generally get paid for work they do in the real world? Doing a suspect book involves research and writing , which is work with an end product- and people usually get paid for that. You talk as if writing brings in millions!
                    Ripper tours tell the story do they not, and the mystery that surrounds the story. It would be no mystery anymore if the killer were known and it was established that he didn't kill all, and didn't cut the apron piece and didn't remove the organs.

                    It then becomes just another case solved and put to bed what would there be to talk about ?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
                      Ripper tours tell the story do they not, and the mystery that surrounds the story. It would be no mystery anymore if the killer were known and it was established that he didn't kill all, and didn't cut the apron piece and didn't remove the organs.

                      It then becomes just another case solved and put to bed what would there be to talk about ?
                      Isn't that the allure of the "Great Victorian Mystery"?

                      I would suggest that it is why you and the rest of us are in the field.
                      Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
                      https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

                      Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                      Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
                        Ripper tours tell the story do they not, and the mystery that surrounds the story. It would be no mystery anymore if the killer were known and it was established that he didn't kill all, and didn't cut the apron piece and didn't remove the organs.

                        It then becomes just another case solved and put to bed what would there be to talk about ?
                        Each author presents his or her personal solution based on heir research and beliefs-that is exactly what you have done. We are all free to rate the merits of each theory for ourselves-questioning or rejecting a theory that doesn't add up is not the same as not wanting the mystery to be solved. What you are really claiming is that you feel your theory is superior to others before you-which is what all people offering a solution believe isn't it?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
                          Hi Trevor

                          That sounds like the heated discussion we had here a few months ago about a "clique" or "inner circle" or "in group" in Ripperology but that died a natural death. You've been in the field long enough, Trevor, to know that each and every theory about the case, every so-called answer to who the murderer or murderers was or were, is shot through with holes.

                          Chris
                          I agree so why do we still have the long list of suspects when there is no case against any of them.

                          They should all be re categorized into "Persons of Interest" at best, not prime suspects. This prime suspect category has misled the public for years now.

                          Apologies for going off topic

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
                            I agree so why do we still have the long list of suspects when there is no case against any of them.

                            They should all be re categorized into "Persons of Interest" at best, not prime suspects. This prime suspect category has misled the public for years now.

                            Apologies for going off topic
                            Hi Trevor

                            Well now you are talking like a former homicide detective. Probably the prime suspect idea comes as much from the press and from fictionalization of the case, i.e., what has been happening to the case ever since 1888, that the crimes for better or worse have become as much entertainment as true crime.

                            Best regards

                            Chris
                            Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
                            https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

                            Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                            Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
                              Each author presents his or her personal solution based on heir research and beliefs-that is exactly you have done. We are all free to rate the merits of each theory for ourselves-questioning or rejecting a theory that doesn't add up is not the same as not wanting the mystery to be solved. What you are really claiming is that you feel your theory is superior to others before you-which is what all people offering a solution believe isn't it?
                              I claim nothing. I have carried out an ubiased investigation to prove or disprove the facts as have been known. The problem is that some cant accept or wont accept the findings that show those facts to be unreliable and unsafe and without a doubt have been distorted by the press, television, the media and most of all authors over the years.

                              I can see this escalating into another heated slanging match so to prevent that I will withdraw from any further posting on this thread. As the gang will be ganging up as usual I suspect.

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