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  • #61
    Originally posted by Cogidubnus View Post
    I like it! How do we know the "Booth book" wasn't "Life and Labour of the People"? Do they do socialist ball pens?
    I just checked and William Booth and 1890 is mentioned in the ebay blurb. That would probably refer to 'In Darkest England,' published 1890.

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    • #62
      Ah well...it was just a thought...

      Cheers!

      Dave

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
        I found a death for a Rachel Bell registered in Belfast...
        Unless I'm mistaken , shouldn't we be looking in Australia for Dott (Dorothy), Rachel, Michael and Jenny. Mary and Tilly in England...?

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        • #64
          Never mind, on reading it more carefully, it looks like Dott and Walter were with Rachel, Tilly and Mary, who was attacked. Michael and Jenny and the unnamed letter recipient are elsewhere (Australia?)

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          • #65
            Far be it for me to gloat but, having sought the opinion of yet another expert, the letter is correct. In his words 'BANG ON'. He went on to give me a brilliant run down of the letter of which, I have confided in people to the conversation I had with the 'expert' today.
            Thanks for the ridicule but, you're wrong RJ the expert'ish and others that think they're in the know. Hhahahahahahaha.

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            • #66
              Who remembers "Red Demon"? The Man from Eagleville, like Yours Truly, might just be long enough in the tooth to recall who I'm referring to!
              -CG-

              Long in what natural teeth I have left, I know of whom you speak, CG.


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              Tim, if you have information to share, this is the place. At your leisure, of course.

              I don't think anyone would be upset if they were proven to be wrong about the letter's content.
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              • #67
                No thanks Howard. I'd rather stick broken glass up me arse. Thanks anyway.

                I have shared with people that are appreciative, not sheeple.

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                • #68
                  And now this thread will disappear as the experts'ish have egg on their face. Pee My Self Laughing.

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                  • #69
                    Tim:

                    Why would the thread disappear ? I just said that ( unless mistaken) I don't believe anyone here will mind if they're shown to be wrong.

                    You've shared with people that are appreciative of the letter. That's cool.

                    Why not take the high road and point out what these people said that convinces you that its legitimate ?
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                    • #70
                      Aussie Sally Army :


                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sa...y_in_Australia


                      I was struck by the mention of a greengrocer's cart. Food for the hungry. Fruit for the hungry?

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                      • #71
                        Hello Everyone

                        Your Host with the Mostest at RipperCon 2020 coming up in #Baltimore next April 24-27 here with some thoughts on the new Kosminki letter.

                        I am not going to outright dismiss the letter as a forgery or hoax.

                        In fact, from the images posted here and the report that the paper the letter is written upon is fragile, accounting for the letter today being in a number of fragments I should say it is OLD although possibly not as old as 1888-1889.

                        Cheers

                        Chris
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                        • #72
                          Hi Tim.

                          My apologies if you think I “ridiculed” you. I was asked by Jeff Leahy to describe the brief private messages I exchanged with the Australian seller, and I complied, since it would have been rude to ignore him. I never mentioned you, except to wonder if you were able to verify the seller and the “deceased estate."

                          Were you? Were you given the name of the estate? Because if you weren’t, the document has no provenance and it is highly unlikely that any historian will touch it.

                          I am glad to hear that your experts have proved the letter “correct.” In your first post you wrote that you were skeptical until the letter’s authenticity was verified by a document examiner "with 30 years’ experience." You are clearly upset by those who remain skeptical (just like you once were) but are unwilling to give any specifics as to what changed your own mind? Isn’t that a bit paradoxical?

                          If your expert has proved the letter “bang on,” then she/he must have identified Rachel Bell. Do you mind saying? Who was she, because as some of us have noticed, she doesn’t readily spring out of the death records for 1889.

                          I am more than happy for you to disprove my skepticism by supplying any further information.

                          Good luck with your project. RP

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Tim Atkinson View Post
                            No thanks Howard. I'd rather stick broken glass up me arse. Thanks anyway.

                            I have shared with people that are appreciative, not sheeple.
                            Tim, thank you for sharing the letter. I am not an expert in dating materials. However, I do have a newspaper from 1913 that was stored safely with a fold and has now disintegrated into dust at the permanent fold. Have also examined many documents and old letters in archives that were secreted away and folded in books, bibles, etc that have disintegrated at the fold.

                            If I assume the letter is genuine, it does provide additional context to my Whitechapel Woolf Kosminsky family link and potentially provides the reason why they all left London and went to Australia.

                            The letter appears to confirm that, at least, on the street the mere name of Kosminski/y was poison by July 1889. Potentially the local word on the street was that police suspected Kos, or perhaps merely Chinese whispers that were now pointing the finger at the local Yiddish yelling crazy Jew Kosminski due to the inability by then of the police to arrest and charge any suspects.

                            Tim, I don't disbelieve your claims but it would be really helpful to me to know who authenticated the letter. Just to check out their credentials.

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                            Cheers
                            Eileen

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Eileen Luscombe View Post

                              . . . Tim, I don't disbelieve your claims but it would be really helpful to me to know who authenticated the letter. Just to check out their credentials. [Emphasis mine.]

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                              Cheers
                              Eileen

                              With due respect, Eileen, what makes you think anyone authenticated the letter?

                              As has been discussed, the letter is an "iffy" prospect. That being so, it can't be authenticated.

                              But as with other questionable artifacts in the case it will have its believers, as with the blessed Maybrick Diary, heading now for 30 years in the public eye. Heaven Help Us.

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                              • #75
                                Hi Chris. I think the reference to the letter being "authenticated" is from Tim's first post on this thread:


                                Originally posted by Tim Atkinson View Post
                                The letter is new to the public eye and has been professionally analysed by an expert of over thirty years experience and has assured me that the letter in 100% original to the time/period in paper, writing and wording.
                                I think Eileen is quite rightly wondering who this expert is and what the 'analysis' amounted to...

                                Cheers.

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