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    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...pect-crime-spt
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    Ten years to tell us that Kosminski was not the killer. Read on:

    The suspect was named in a handwritten piece in the final pages of The Lighter Side Of My Official Life, published by chief Ripper investigator Sir Robert Anderson in 1910.

    The note detailed Mr Kosminski, a mentally ill Jewish immigrant, as the man investigators thought was responsible for the gruesome killings.

    Professor Bob Peckitt, of the National Centre for Policing Excellence, unveiled the finding but also showed records from Colney Hatch Lunatic Asylum.

    The London psychiatric hospital, which has since closed, gave an insight into the wellbeing of the suspect -- which could rule out Mr Kosminski.

    Prof Peckitt said: "The admitting medical officer says that he was guided and his movements were altogether controlled and that he knew the destiny of all mankind.

    "Now these are really quite typical phrases or statements used by people with paranoid schizophrenia."

    Prof Peckitt revealed his theory about why the individual could not be the killer on the 2010 TV show Mystery Files.

    He said: "I think Kosminski was an ill man and I think that his disorder would have robbed him of much of the ability to plan and carry out a sequence of events like this.

    "I don’t think that Aaron Kosminski was Jack the Ripper."



    Then it's a good job that in his recent book on Superintendent Donald Sutherland Swanson, Adam Wood comes to the conclusion that given that Aaron Kosminski lived in Colney Hatch until 1919, contrary to Swanson's notation in Anderson's book that the pertinent suspect died soon after being confined, the Jewish suspect whom Swanson meant was David Cohen, in line with the conclusion of the late great Martin Fido.
    Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
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    Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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    • #3
      The profiler in the article, Pat Brown, evidently believes the Goulston Street graffito was written by the murderer of Kate Eddowes.

      I wonder what a really qualified linguist would say about the graffito's use of the double-negative. 'not be named for nothing.'

      Sir Charles Warren thought it showed it was written by a non-native speaker of English, and suggested a speaker of Irish or French.

      As I understand it, the use of 'negative concord' is rare in German, outside a dialect in Bavaria. Yiddish is originally a dialect of German and evidently sometimes uses the double-negative, but apparently only in certain instances.

      The wikipedia entry, for what it's worth:

      "Similar to some dialectal English, Bavarian employs both single and double negation, with the latter denoting special emphasis. For example, compare the Bavarian Des hob i no nia ned g'h?rt ("This have I yet never not heard") with the standard German "Das habe ich noch nie geh?rt". The German emphatic "niemals!" (roughly "never ever") corresponds to Bavarian "(g?r) nia ned" or even "nie nicht" in Standard German pronunciation.

      Another exception is Yiddish. Due to Slavic influence, the double (and sometimes even triple) negative is quite common.

      A few examples would be:

      איך האב קיינמאל נישט געזאגט ("I never didn't say")

      איך האב נישט קיין מורא פאר קיינעם ניט ("I have no fear of no one not")

      It is common to add נישט ("not") after the Yiddish word גארנישט ("nothing"), i.e. איך האב גארנישט נישט געזאגט ("I haven't said nothing")"

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      • #4
        I thought this seemed familiar - it's the second Express article in just over two months to recycle the same ten-year-old documentary!
        http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=34313

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Chris Phillips View Post
          I thought this seemed familiar - it's the second Express article in just over two months to recycle the same ten-year-old documentary!
          http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=34313
          AMAZON PRIME is referenced in the caption to the photo of Professor Bob Peckitt, so perhaps Amazon gave the newspaper a nudge. Do Amazon and the Express have some type of financial relationship?
          Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
          https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

          Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
          Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by R. J. Palmer View Post

            I wonder what a really qualified linguist would say about the graffito's use of the double-negative. 'not be named for nothing.'
            And if there could be a unconscious difference between verbal and written form.

            eg., written form -- writer has time to contemplate redundancy between "not" and "nothing."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by R. J. Palmer View Post
              I wonder what a really qualified linguist would say about the graffito's use of the double-negative. 'not be named for nothing.'
              Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
              And if there could be a unconscious difference between verbal and written form.

              eg., written form -- writer has time to contemplate redundancy between "not" and "nothing."
              You're a killer on the run, having (presumably) already killed one woman for the night and about to kill another, so how much contemplating do you do? If the killer really did write the graffito, my inclination would be toward believing that they didn't give much thought to it, or even notice that they'd written a double negative.
              Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
              https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

              Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
              Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
                If the killer really did write the graffito, my inclination would be toward believing that they didn't give much thought to it, or even notice that they'd written a double negative.
                Yes Chris, not much contemplating at all since the killer did not write the graffito.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
                  If the killer really did write the graffito, my inclination would be toward believing that they didn't give much thought to it, or even notice that they'd written a double negative.
                  Hi Chris.

                  Yes, I think Charles Warren's point was that the writer believed the 'double negative' to be correct, since it fits the grammatical construction of his own native language.

                  Presumably if they knew it was incorrect, they wouldn't have written it.

                  Yet, if Warren's grammatical theory is correct, the paranoid 'Yiddish' suggestion makes very little sense. Corrected for poor grammar, the graffitist would have meant:

                  "The Jews are the Men that won't take blame for anything."

                  A Jew is unlikely to have written that about a fellow Jew, no? Would he have made a sweeping insult to his own 'race'?

                  Maybe, but it certainly doesn't 'fit' what the profiler Pat Brown seems to be suggesting in the article: that the killer is paranoid and thinks that people have been blaming HIM.

                  Rather, the graffitist seems to be directing the blame outward...at Jews.

                  Maybe that's why Warren suggested an Irishman or a Frenchman; he accepted that the message was anti-Semitic

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by R. J. Palmer View Post
                    Hi Chris.

                    Yes, I think Charles Warren's point was that the writer believed the 'double negative' to be correct, since it fits the grammatical construction of his own native language.

                    Presumably if they knew it was incorrect, they wouldn't have written it.

                    Yet, if Warren's grammatical theory is correct, the paranoid 'Yiddish' suggestion makes very little sense. Corrected for poor grammar, the graffitist would have meant:

                    "The Jews are the Men that won't take blame for anything."

                    A Jew is unlikely to have written that about a fellow Jew, no? Would he have made a sweeping insult to his own 'race'?

                    Maybe, but it certainly doesn't 'fit' what the profiler Pat Brown seems to be suggesting in the article: that the killer is paranoid and thinks that people have been blaming HIM.

                    Rather, the graffitist seems to be directing the blame outward...at Jews.

                    Maybe that's why Warren suggested an Irishman or a Frenchman; he accepted that the message was anti-Semitic
                    I've always viewed the graffito as an anti-Jewish scrawl, and I agree with Chris Phillips that there's a good likelihood that it wasn't written by the killer, just as Jack didn't write letters. Even if it did set Sir Charles Warren's heart racing. . .
                    Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
                    https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

                    Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                    Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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