Lechmere and the Unknown Local theory

[Rob Clack]

I feel confident in saying that anybody who claims that the wounds to the abdomen must have been visible is actually wasting everybodys time.

You seem to be wasting a lot of time telling people they are wasting time. Don't get involved then.

[Christer Holmgren]

Exploded? Are you even serious. I said whoever murdered the Whitehall and Rainham victims knew how to decapitate the victim. The person who murdered Mary Kelly did not. And it is not as if he did not have the time to do so. You start mentioning knives and come to the conclusion your right and I am wrong. Would you like me to write it in crayons?

Yes, exploded. Regardless if the man who was responsible of the Torso series could decapitate by way of knife throughout, the evidence is very clear: he did n ot use a knife to decapitate until in September of 1889. And there goes your claim that one man was able to decapitate while the other was not. Unless, of course, what you meant to say that one man was able to decapitate with the help of a saw, whereas the other was not able to decapitate by way of knife.


Hebbert was of the meaning that the Torso killer was unable to decapitate by way of knife in 1888, and that he only learnt it in late 1889. He could see how the severing of the spine was all saw-work from the beginning (Rainham and Whitehall), and then the killer managed to cut the spine in the back on Liz Jackson whereas he had to go get t he saw to take the head off. And then, finally, in 1889, he had worked out how to maneuvre his knife past the anterior lip of the neck spines and managed to take the Pinchin Street victims head off with a knife. So that puts the two killer very much on par with each other.

For your suggestion to carry any weight, we would need to have a decapitation by way of knife on behalf of the Torso killer BEFORE Mary Kelly was slain. And no such things is in existence, meaning that there is no weight to your claim.

There´s crayons for you.

[Christer Holmgren]

You seem to be wasting a lot of time telling people they are wasting time. Don't get involved then.

If you don´t much mind, I will make my own calls in these matters, Rob.

[Rob Clack]

Yes, exploded. Regardless if the man who was responsible of the Torso series could decapitate by way of knife throughout, the evidence is very clear: he did n ot use a knife to decapitate until in September of 1889. And there goes your claim that one man was able to decapitate while the other was not. Unless, of course, what you meant to say that one man was able to decapitate with the help of a saw, whereas the other was not able to decapitate by way of knife.


Hebbert was of the meaning that the Torso killer was unable to decapitate by way of knife in 1888, and that he only learnt it in late 1889. He could see how the severing of the spine was all saw-work from the beginning (Rainham and Whitehall), and then the killer managed to cut the spine in the back on Liz Jackson whereas he had to go get t he saw to take the head off. And then, finally, in 1889, he had worked out how to maneuvre his knife past the anterior lip of the neck spines and managed to take the Pinchin Street victims head off with a knife. So that puts the two killer very much on par with each other.

For your suggestion to carry any weight, we would need to have a decapitation by way of knife on behalf of the Torso killer BEFORE Mary Kelly was slain. And no such things is in existence, meaning that there is no weight to your claim.

There´s crayons for you.

I couldn't care less when he started using a knife to decapitate. Who said anything about knife. You did. What I am saying is whatever the Whitehall murderer used in August 1888 he could have used in November 1888 to decapitate Kelly. What is so difficult to understand about that.

[Rob Clack]

If you don´t much mind, I will make my own calls in these matters, Rob.

Fine. I will stick to my belief that the clothing was up around her stomach.

[Christer Holmgren]

Fine. I will stick to my belief that the clothing was up around her stomach.

I dont think that there will be any tug of war about that one; most people will be happy to let you have it, I believe.

[Christer Holmgren]

I couldn't care less when he started using a knife to decapitate. Who said anything about knife. You did. What I am saying is whatever the Whitehall murderer used in August 1888 he could have used in November 1888 to decapitate Kelly. What is so difficult to understand about that.

Obviously you don’ t care.

I am the one caring.

We all know that by now.

If he needed a bone saw to decapitate, then he must have forgotten to bring it along to Millers Court…

[Rob Clack]

Obviously you don’ t care.

I am the one caring.

We all know that by now.

If he needed a bone saw to decapitate, then he must have forgotten to bring it along to Millers Court…

Or he was a different person.

[Christer Holmgren]

Or he was a different person.

… who, just like the Torso killer, was not able to decapitate by way of knife in 1888. Which is a similarity, speaking for a single killer, not a dissimilarity, speaking for two killers.

[Steve Blomer]

Can we please stop the person attacks and insults .
We are meant to be adults in a research based forum.

This applies to all.

If people can't keep to the rules, then we may need to close the whole thread which would be a great shame.