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    East London Advertiser
    October 22, 1892
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    Hi Howard

    I discuss the monument to Emily Mather in my presentation on Deeming that I will deliver at #RipperCon in Baltimore this weekend. Here is the monument to Emily Mather, presumably Deeming's final victim.



    Emily Mather Memorial, Melbourne General Cemetery. Wikimedia.org




    Inscriptions on Emily Mather Memorial, Melbourne General Cemetery. Photograph, Bob Siler.

    Mr. Edward Thunderbolt whose exotic name appears at the base of the monument beneath a rather banal poem led the public subscription effort to build the monument. He claimed to have known the Mather family back in Rainhill, Lancashire, England where Mr. Mather owned a corner newsagents on the main road to Liverpool. Thunderbolt served as -- another exotic name! -- Inspector of Public Nuisances in Carlton. I need to double check something about what Thunderbolt said about visiting the Mathers in 1877 that might not stack up based on what I saw last September during my visits to Rainhill.
    Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
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    • #3
      Most excellent, Chris.....thanks very much !
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
        East London Advertiser
        October 22, 1892
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        Getting back to this, I feel the sentiments expressed by this writer are totally out of order. Think about it: the victims of Jack the Ripper in London should have such monuments! Most Whitechapel murder victims, canonical and non-canonical have unmarked graves, but Mary Jane Kelly does have a tombstone that was paid for some years ago by an admirer of hers, the late author John Morrison (1926-2005).



        Melanie Clegg's photograph of Mary Jane Kelly's grave

        Mr. Thunderbolt's fascination with the murder of Emily Mather struck me as a bit odd the first time I read about it. Akin almost to the women who strike up relationships with convicted murderers, even marry them. Of course Thunderbolt might be absolutely on the level, and I am being overly suspicious. He might indeed have known the Mather family from years earlier, as he told the newspaper, and so felt moved to start the subscription to build the monument for Emily.

        I consulted one of the books I used in my research, The Scarlet Thread: Australia's Jack the Ripper. A True Crime Story by Maurice Gurvich and Christopher Wray (NOT the man who was appointed by Donald Trump to head the FBI -- I checked! -- this man is an Australian magistrate).

        On pages 68-69 of the Gurvich and Wray book, published by Fairfax Books in Sydney in 2007, we read:

        "Edward Thunderbolt told The Age that he had met Emily's family in 1877, when he was working as an engineer for the Marchioness of Stapleton at Rainhill, a village with a population of about 300 people, near Liverpool. Each day he had visited the stationer's shop kept by Mr and Mrs Mather at a corner facing the railway station [emphasis mine]. The shop was small, 'the books it contained were few and cheap and the chief business seemed to be the sale of papers'. . . He remembered Emily, then aged about nine or 10, as looking remarkably like her mother, and sharing her mother's 'quiet innocent and trusting disposition'."

        It makes one wonder if Thunderbolt developed a fixation on Emily Mather then, or did he develop the crush from reading about Emily and her family in the newspapers?

        Here's the thing:

        Mr and Mrs Mather's shop, which still stands (it's now a beauty parlor), is not opposite the railway station, as Mr T told The Age. What is the opposite the shop is the Victoria Hotel where the inquest on Deeming's murdered family was held. I should know: I was in Rainhill, in the Victoria Hotel, a number of times last September before giving my talk on Deeming at the Queen Square Marriott in Liverpool.



        The Victoria Hotel, Rainhill where the inquest on the murders was held. You can look out of the window of the pub at the former Mather shop across the street. Google street views.



        Incidentally, the name of the beauty parlor, "Beauty on View," is a clever pun. The establishment is located at the intersection of View Road and the main road to Liverpool running through the village. Not a railway station in sight, although there is a station some streets away.

        Then on page 274 of Gurvich and Wray we read this curious bit:

        "Edward Thunderbolt, who had appointed himself as guardian of the Mather family's interests in Melbourne, arranged for the return of much of her clothing, but it seems as that the family did not receive her jewellery [emphasis mine]."

        Best regards

        Chris
        Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
        https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

        Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
        Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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        • #5
          The Mather house in 1892

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
            The Mather house in 1892

            Thanks, Debra. All those cottages and houses to the right of the former Mather newsagents have been demolished and a modern Cooperative supermarket stands there now. The cottages and the Mather shop look to be of 17th or 18th century vintage while the houses further to the right were probably built in the 19th century. At the far right of the photograph you can see that the road rises to go over a railway bridge. That is where the railway station is located, which Edward Thunderbolt misremembered.
            Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
            https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

            Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
            Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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            • #7
              Just found this on the net.

              "New" stuff turning up all the time!!! And wonderful that it be so. Now if only that genuine Jack the Ripper confession will turn up!

              The superimposed portrait of Emily Mather (vintage photoshop, baby!) is new to me. The portrait of her that is usually shown is the one of her wearing a wide brimmed hat, also in Victorian Collections in Melbourne. See below.



              From Victorian Collections of Museums Victoria at https://victoriancollections.net.au/...62ef0b94c85904

              Photograph of Emily Mather's Grave, Melbourne

              From the collection of the Victoria Police Museum, Mezzanine Level, World Trade Centre, Siddeley Street, Docklands, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

              Description: Black and white photograph backed onto white backing board showing the grave site of Emily Lydia Mather with the portrait of the woman superimposed at the top left corner. Size 16.5 x 10.7.

              Object Registration: VPM2752

              Photograph by Tuttle & Co., 1892

              Inscriptions & Markings: "Murdered by Fredk. B. Deeming 1892" (in black ink along top of photograph)



              Familiar Emily Mather portrait -- yet another 19th century annotated photograph. This photo along with the one above are both in the Collection of the Victoria Police Museum. The Museums Victoria link for image, https://victoriancollections.net.au/...62ef0b94c832a8, contains considerably longer information than the one for the image of her grave... Too long for this tired lad to transcribe at this early hour in the morning here in Newark, Delaware. Read it for yourself.
              Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
              https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

              Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
              Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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              • #8
                https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...24-p50zxr.html

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                • #9
                  This claim by investigators Carly Godden and Lee Hooper is almost totally wrong. Certainly the crimes of Frederick Bailey Deeming were and are appalling, but what Godden and Hooper claim doesn't fit with the facts.

                  They claim that "a poem on Mather’s grave, signed by a public official claiming to be a friend," is wrong.

                  As far as I know, Edward Turnbull was not a public official. He claimed to be a family friend, having known the Mather family in Rainhill, Lancashire, England. Moreover, he paid for that magnificent monument to Emily Mather in Melbourne, better than any monument to a "Jack the Ripper victim" -- so why doubt his motives?????

                  The following response by "grycon" posted that same website https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...24-p50zxr.html puts things in perspective. Better than any "Jack the Ripper Victim."

                  For those of you who have no idea about the case, the perpetrator had a long history of fraud and deception, he was very charming and there was no way the victim could have known he had murdered his first wife in England, or that he had a first wife at all. You couldn't just search or access police records back then either, btw.

                  You can't blame every woman for not being telepathic and unaware her husband might murder her.

                  Also, the 1890s were reasonably progressive in the CONTEXT of the nineteenth century. It wasn't just cool for men to murder women, so for those saying 'what did you expect of the time', maybe go read up on some real history.

                  gryc
                  Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
                  https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

                  Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                  Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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