James Maybrick of 46 Lime Street, London...

[Gary Barnett]

Particularly streets in the depths of the East End such as Bucks Row or Berner Street.

Precisely. I wonder how many Lloyds Underwriters are familiar with those places.

[Edward Stow]

I'm sure they wander off into the back doubles all the time.

[Gary Barnett]

I'm sure they wander off into the back doubles all the time.

Is that a euphemism?

[Rob Clack]

Perhaps you can remind us exactly where in Whitechapel she lived? In your blog you mention the Whitechapel census district. What does that mean?

Excellent research in tracking Robertson down, by the way. And well presented - apart from the misleading ‘Whitechapel’ mantra.

If memory serves I think she lived in Bromley Street which runs between Commercial Road and Stepney Church. So not exactly Whitechapel more Stepney/Limehouse.

[Edward Stow]

Yes near the old Stepney East Station - now called Limehouse on the DLR.

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

It’s a nice find, JW. I recall some Jewish business men in that area with relatives in Whitechapel. A tobacconist comes to mind related to some butchers. David Swaebe?

As for the discourse, I think it’s similar to the Carrie Brown murder discussion about George Damon having his business at 44 Beekman St, only a 14 minute walk from the East River Hotel where the murder took place and where the suspected murderer who was working for him at his home supposedly went 22 miles from the Damon farmhouse in NJ right to that hotel near his employer’s print shop (as RJ pointed out).

But Damon supposedly never went there and he picked up the sailor at the Immigration Labor Bureau, admittedly the same distance though at 15 minutes away in the other direction, but the hotel would still be at least half an hour away from the Bureau and makes you wonder how a fresh immigrant would know about that place if not from his supposedly first and new employer, in which case they might as well have met there or thereabouts, with all the inherent inferences.

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[Jay Hartley]

I grew up in London and I know the areas well, certainly in a modern context. I did not create the census district boundaries of that period, but it does say Whitechapel and that is historical fact. That argument is with historical civil servants, not me.

This nonsense that no one of higher class would ever venture five minutes East into territory that would or could have been dangerous is just strange. Slumming actually enhances the point that many were fascinated with the darker corners of London. It clearly was not a complete no go zone for some.

People have different motivations to do different things and to experience different things. I simply show he had geographical proximity in his lifetime to the murders.

Specifically a five minute walk from Mitre Square.

[Caroline Brown]

Why do we hear about the activity of ‘slumming’? Because it was a perverse, adventurous, rather risky thing to do. Not because every City businessman already knew ‘Whitechapel’ like the back of his hand.

To play devil's advocate, Gary, the theory - just as with Druitt - is that this would have been no average City businessman, but someone who grew up with just the perverse, adventurous and risk-taking nature needed to make it as Jack the Slumming Lady Killer.

Love,

Caz
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[Caroline Brown]

Precisely. I wonder how many Lloyds Underwriters are familiar with those places.

How many would it take, Gary? And what would the number have to do with anything, if you don't believe there were many men murdering and mutilating women in those places in 1888, but just the one uniquely sick individual, who was in sole control of where and when to seek his prey?

I genuinely don't follow this kind of 'how many' argument.

Love,

Caz
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[Edward Stow]

Ah - the familiar 'serial killers don't play by normie rules'. Yes true, very true.
But only sometimes... eh?

[Caroline Brown]

What does that mean, Ed?

You think it's 'very' true sometimes, and less true at others?

My point was simple: if JtR was just one person, with different standards from 99.9% of the male population, how can we judge him by what certain types of men wouldn't do, or where they would rarely go?

Love,

Caz
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