Margaret Minetta Maybrick was not the illigetimate child of James Maybrick...

[Debra Arif]

There was a family of butchers named Hackney at 12, Pitfield Street in 1871 and 1881. In both those years they had a single female domestic servant. Perhaps Elizabeth Underwood had filled that role before she married.

Yes, that could be the case because Fanny Hackney is in the PO directory 1881 and a couple of years either side as a butcher and other members of the Hackney family going back further, besides the family listed as living there on the census

Fanny's maiden name was Price so no Underwood connection there either.

[Debra Arif]

Ruling out is just as important as ruling in.

I do see an EDGE family line from Lambeth, and I do find a SARAH UNDERWOOD line from Lambeth too. The fact JAMES JACOB EDGE is listed on the marriage as the father of the groom does throw a spanner in the works a little. However, there were a few JACOB EDGES and JAMES EDGES who also had either name as their FIRST and MIDDLE name but didn't always use them on all records - the census being one such example. This could be the case here with JAMES EDGE.

Neither of the people on the marriage of EDGE/UNDERWOOD can be found living at those addresses in the 1881 census, as far as I can tell and the UNDERWOOD of Lambeth's MMN was SANSUM not KING.

As it stands, I still do not believe them to be the same people connected to MARGARET JANE EDGES.

The marriage was in March 1881 before census night of 3rd of April, so, logically, there should be a James Edge(s) with wife Elizabeth on the 1881 census somewhere. The only couple who seem to fit the bill in London are James Edges and his wife Elizabeth in Chiswick (the parents of Margaret Jane Edges) . Knowing the couple's age at marriage would have been useful.

I think it's interesting to remember that as well as using the maiden name King on the children's births registrations, the same family also used King-Underwood on at least one occasion. Could it be the case that Elizabeth was actually unsure about her maiden name because perhaps she was illegitimate and her mother's name was King but her father was Underwood?

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

Neither of the people on the marriage of EDGE/UNDERWOOD can be found living at those addresses in the 1881 census, as far as I can tell and the UNDERWOOD of Lambeth's MMN was SANSUM not KING.

I don’t know if this helps but Peterborough Paul has one cousin with Sansum in their pedigrees.

Margaret Sansum from Sussex 1724-1759

I have her grandfather as William Sansum/Sansom b. 1672 or 1680.

[Debra Arif]

I was very curious when I found a James Maybrick born 2 April 1910 in Deptford in Catholic records.
I was initially unable to trace him or his parents Charles and Edith (nee Lyons) together after this 1910 date, although I found his mother .living with her father in Deptford previous to her marriage




Digging deeper I found his father was in fact a Charles Purbrick (son of James and Sarah and born 1877!) and not a Maybrick at all but it was very interesting for at least half an hour

[R. J. Palmer]

The marriage was in March 1881 before census night of 3rd of April, so, logically, there should be a James Edge(s) with wife Elizabeth on the 1881 census somewhere. The only couple who seem to fit the bill in London are James Edges and his wife Elizabeth in Chiswick (the parents of Margaret Jane Edges) . Knowing the couple's age at marriage would have been useful.

I think it's interesting to remember that as well as using the maiden name King on the children's births registrations, the same family also used King-Underwood on at least one occasion. Could it be the case that Elizabeth was actually unsure about her maiden name because perhaps she was illegitimate and her mother's name was King but her father was Underwood?

Did you notice this? Born around 1846. Deserted wife.

[Jay Hartley]

Neither of the people on the marriage of EDGE/UNDERWOOD can be found living at those addresses in the 1881 census, as far as I can tell and the UNDERWOOD of Lambeth's MMN was SANSUM not KING.

I don’t know if this helps but Peterborough Paul has one cousin with Sansum in their pedigrees.

Margaret Sansum from Sussex 1724-1759

I have her grandfather as William Sansum/Sansom b. 1672.

If it was the same line of SANSUM then it only endorses the view his own ancestry is connected to the EDGES of Whitechapel. I believe this is already established. It only adds to the case against him being a Maybrick.

Still, the name came from somewhere and she was determined to ensure it was in her children's names. There has to be a reason why.

[Debra Arif]

Did you notice this? Born around 1846. Deserted wife.

No, I hadn't R.J. but I have looked at it now. Not sure I can think how it would fit.

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

If it was the same line of SANSUM then it only endorses the view his own ancestry is connected to the EDGES of Whitechapel. I believe this is already established. It only adds to the case against him being a Maybrick....Still, the name came from somewhere and she was determined to ensure it was in her children's names. There has to be a reason why.

I think it's a little like wanting to call yourself a McCartney and saying your related to Paul McCartney's brother if the comparison could be made to Michael Maybrick and James. Poor common nobles without a title might seek out a name.

Early Origins of the Sansum family

The surname Sansum was first found in Gloucestershire, but the family was quickly scattered throughout Britain as they claim descendancy from "De St. Sampson, from the lordship near Caen, Normandy. Ralph de St. Sansom accompanied the Conqueror, and [by] 1086 held estates in several counties. William Sampson, his descendant, was summoned to Parliament as aBaron 1297-1304.
Sansum Name Meaning, Family History, Family Crest & Coats of Arms (houseofnames.com)

Elizabeth Underwood's presumptive mother who would be Peterborough Paul's presumptive 3x great grandmother if we have the right ID.
Elizabeth Sansum 1821-1874 - Ancestry®