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  • John Baillie Knight - Soap Maker of London

    https://fold.cm/read/timknight/john-...ondon-FFcnX6YJ

    A minor mystery within the greater Maybrick Mystery is Florence's relationship with John Baillie Knight, who seems to have acted as a kind of dead letter box between Florence and Brierley .

    This website post is from a distant descendant, Tim Knight.

    As far as the "old friend" of the family goes, I would call folk's attention to the fact that Knight would have been 30 in 1889.

    Attendees at Liverpool 2017 will recall Chris Jones assertion that there is no evidence of Florence committing adultery outside of a one night stand with Brierley. It is relevant to the Diary as the Diarist makes it clear that Flo has not only one "whore master" but a second lover as well.

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    Originally posted by SirRobertAnderson View Post
    https://fold.cm/read/timknight/john-...ondon-FFcnX6YJ

    A minor mystery within the greater Maybrick Mystery is Florence's relationship with John Baillie Knight, who seems to have acted as a kind of dead letter box between Florence and Brierley .

    This website post is from a distant descendant, Tim Knight.

    As far as the "old friend" of the family goes, I would call folk's attention to the fact that Knight would have been 30 in 1889.

    Attendees at Liverpool 2017 will recall Chris Jones assertion that there is no evidence of Florence committing adultery outside of a one night stand with Brierley. It is relevant to the Diary as the Diarist makes it clear that Flo has not only one "whore master" but a second lover as well.
    "Knight's soap factory was first based in Wapping, East London, . . ."

    I worked at Wapping Dock in Liverpool in 1966. Yes I know! "Whitechapel, Liverpool. . . Whitechapel, London."

    I do have to roll my eyes when Tim Knight writes that Bill Rubinstein of the University of Wales in Aberystwyth is "a noted historian" when Rubinstein could so naively write that:

    "I am personally more than 90 per cent convinced that James Maybrick was Jack the Ripper."

    Best regards

    Chris
    Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
    https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

    Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
    Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
      I do have to roll my eyes when Tim Knight writes that Bill Rubinstein of the University of Wales in Aberystwyth is "a noted historian" when Rubinstein could so naively write that:

      "I am personally more than 90 per cent convinced that James Maybrick was Jack the Ripper."
      I doubt Tim Knight has delved deeply into the Maybrick Diary. He's just cutting and pasting.

      The thread is for the discussion of Knight and his relationship to Florence.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SirRobertAnderson View Post
        I doubt Tim Knight has delved deeply into the Maybrick Diary. He's just cutting and pasting.

        The thread is for the discussion of Knight and his relationship to Florence.
        Understood, Robert. It's clear that Florence, much like a drowning person, was reaching out to various allies given the bad marriage that she was in with James Maybrick.

        Thanks

        Chris
        Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
        https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

        Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
        Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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        • #5
          Williams

          Research into this topic reminded me that there was also a second “whoremaster” candidate named “Williams”.

          He was supposed to be a London solicitor. Any ideas whom this Williams might be before I start jumping to conclusions?

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          • #6
            Did JBK do the famous Knight's Castile soap?


            https://timknightseattle.wordpress.c...stile-soap-ad/

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            • #7
              Hardly a romantic dinner - there's a bloke stamping out cockroaches :


              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRoI4SlRL8w

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              • #8
                Originally posted by San Fran View Post
                Research into this topic reminded me that there was also a second “whoremaster” candidate named “Williams”.

                He was supposed to be a London solicitor. Any ideas whom this Williams might be before I start jumping to conclusions?
                I don't recall anyone tracing Williams before. He was one of the three who had reputedly written love letters to Florie, along with Edwin Maybrick and Alf Brierley. The diary picks up on two of the "whoremasters" quite cleverly I think.

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                • #9
                  Here's a list of all the solicitor's named Williams in the 1891 Kelly's Directory of London. I ruled out John Baillie Knight's solicitors (Manby and Steward) although it's claimed that Florence Maybrick used coming to see his solicitors as an excuse for coming to London.

                  Albert Henry Williams, solicitor, Bannister, Williams and Ram, 13 John st Bedford rd
                  Bulkeley Robert Wynn Williams, Solicitor, Wyatt, Hoskins, Hooker and Williams, parliamentary agents and solicitors, 26 Parliament st
                  Charles Bridgewater Williams, solicitor, Currie, Williams & Williams, 32 Lincoln's inn fields
                  Edmund Logan Willyams Williams, solicitor, 26 Martin's lane
                  Edmund Trevor Lloyd Williams, solicitor, Newman, Paynter, Gould & Williams, 1 Clement's Inn
                  Edward Warwick Williams, solicitor, Badham & Williams, 3 Salters' hall court, Cannon st
                  Edwin Williams, solicitor, Gush, Philips, Walters and Williams, 3 Finsbury circus
                  Freke Dalgleish Williams, solicitor, see Fladgates, Craigs court, Charing cross
                  Henry Alexander Williams, solicitor, 24 and 26 Basinghall street
                  Peter Williams, solicitor, Freshfields & Williams, 3 Bank buildings
                  Reynold Williams, solicitor 3 Adelaide place, London bridge
                  Thomas Brooking Williams, solicitor 68 & 69 Cornhill
                  Thomas Christopher Williams, solicitor, 8 Angel court, Bank
                  Walter Charles Williams, solicitor, 6 Gt. James st. Bedord row
                  William Williams, solicitor, Currie, Williams & Williams, 32 Lincoln's inn fields
                  William Cowell Williams, solicitor, 4 Field court, Gray's inn
                  William Vaughan Williams, solicitor, 16 Craven street, Strand

                  Kelly's Post Office London Directory - Page 1462 - Google Books Result
                  https://books.google.ca/books?id=u307AQAAMAAJ
                  1891 - ‎London (England)

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                  • #10
                    I think I'd definitely rule JBK's solicitor in San. Was there a Williams there?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Paul Butler View Post
                      I think I'd definitely rule JBK's solicitor in San. Was there a Williams there?
                      There was one in 2006. His son was swept away in an avalanche in Nepal.

                      https://www.expressandstar.com/news/...ore-ice-falls/

                      Mr Williams is the son of Clive Williams, a former senior partner at Manby & Steward solicitors based in St John's Square and who now works there as a consultant.

                      Gavin Southall, senior partner at Manby and Steward, said: "It is with great sadness that we heard the news of the possible loss of Clive William's son Duncan.

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                      • #12
                        Manby and Steward were solicitors in Wolverhampton but I suppose they sent their lawyers to London to meet with JBK.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Paul Butler View Post
                          I think I'd definitely rule JBK's solicitor in San. Was there a Williams there?
                          Another page for the site SirRobertAnderson has linked in Post #1, has the solicitor for JBK's uncle Edwin, under whom he apprenticed. His name is Williams.

                          Monier Faithful Monier Williams

                          https://timknightseattle.wordpress.com/

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                          • #14
                            The son of Sir Monier Monier-Williams, Monier Faithful Monier-Williams was born in 1849 and married in 1880.

                            The 1891 Kelly’s post office directory says See Belford, Monier-Williams & Robinson but I can’t find them.


                            P.S. It was Bedford.

                            Bedford, Monier Williams & Robinson, solicitors, 6 & 7 Gt. Tower st.

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