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    In searching through Danish National Archives, I came across a new reference to letters from Charles Grande.


    The correspondance journal of the Danish embassy lists three incoming letters:
    The year 1900, left column is incoming mail, right column is outgoing.


    April 9th: letter from Charles Grande
    April 14th: Clan. [?not sure] about Charles Grande
    May 25th: Home department about Ch. Grande

    No answers (right-hand column) to the letters have been recorded.


    I've looked for the actual letters but they are not extant in the relevant section XVID under which they should have been filed.


    The search continues!
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  • #2
    Wow, this is fascinating!
    I did a tiny little bit of research years ago in Copenhagen and I just emailed How some of my findings in the Politeets Efterretninger about Cristian Nielson possible arrests.
    I can't easily copy & paste any of this in a thread cause posting from my phone.
    Best regards,
    Maria

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    • #3
      Hi Maria


      Since you were last in Copenhagen, the Politiets Efterretninger have gone online and are searchable here: https://kbharkiv.dk/brug-samlingerne...ger-1867-1930/

      I looked through them and did not find any that in my opinion would correspond to Christian Nielsen

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      • #4
        Maria:

        I have passed your email to me along to Kattrup. Thanks for the information.
        To Join JTR Forums :
        Contact Howard@jtrforums.com

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        • #5
          Thanx so much, How and Kattrup! Great that the Politiets Efterretninger is now searchable online.
          The 4 cases I located in Copenhagen with a Nielsen or Nielson arrested are from 1868 to 1874.
          Best regards,
          Maria

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kattrup View Post
            In searching through Danish National Archives, I came across a new reference to letters from Charles Grande.


            The correspondance journal of the Danish embassy lists three incoming letters:
            The year 1900, left column is incoming mail, right column is outgoing.


            April 9th: letter from Charles Grande
            April 14th: Clan. [?not sure] about Charles Grande
            May 25th: Home department about Ch. Grande

            No answers (right-hand column) to the letters have been recorded.


            I've looked for the actual letters but they are not extant in the relevant section XVID under which they should have been filed.
            I was wondering, are any other letters listed in the Danish Embassy records also missing? Is it a common occurrence, or just for Le Grand?
            Do you think his letters might have referred to appellate and deportation issues?

            Best regards,
            Maria

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Maria Birbili View Post
              I was wondering, are any other letters listed in the Danish Embassy records also missing? Is it a common occurrence, or just for Le Grand?
              Do you think his letters might have referred to appellate and deportation issues?
              That is impossible to say without crossreferencing the correspondance protocols with the extant correspondance. I would say that I did not notice any other letters missing, that is, the letters I noticed before and and after the place where Grande's letters should be corresponded with the protocol's registry.

              The protocol page in the photo is from the section XVID which deals with citizenship, "indfødsret", which is for instance also mentioned in the correspondance above the Grande-letters, concerning baron Bertouch asking about his son's "indfødsret". The Bertouch-letters were filed correctly.

              Note that I found this letter as part of internal correspondance about Grande's letter: https://www.jtrforums.com/forum/pers...-charles-grand

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              • #8
                This is absolutely fascinating!
                I wonder why he wrote in French but knew enough Danish to use in the way he addressed the letter to the Danish Consul.
                I wonder if he wanted to be deported to Denmark. I assume Danish prisons might have been "easier" to deal with? Or at least, much less populated?
                Best regards,
                Maria

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Maria Birbili View Post
                  This is absolutely fascinating!
                  I wonder why he wrote in French but knew enough Danish to use in the way he addressed the letter to the Danish Consul.
                  I wonder if he wanted to be deported to Denmark. I assume Danish prisons might have been "easier" to deal with? Or at least, much less populated?
                  I think he wanted Denmark to intercede on his behalf, obtain a pardon or similar - that is the gist of his letters from earlier https://www.jtrforums.com/forum/pers...ande-in-prison

                  He wanted to avoid deportation to Denmark, in my opinion, and had always denied being a Dane. So I think he mainly wanted help in some unspecified way. Obviously, the backing of a nationstate could be useful. However, the Danish consulate did not immediately believe him to be a Danish subject (and once he was actually deported to Denmark, he went back to claiming that he was a british subject).

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                  • #10
                    Absolutely fascinating!
                    Re Le Grand's letter to the Danish consul, some things appear of particular interest:
                    1) It's plausible that his Danish citizenship might have been substantiated, since it never got mentioned after the 1st letter.
                    2) The heavy sentencing incompatible with his registered crimes makes one think: why? Possibly related to much more severe crimes that they lacked evidence about? Like, say, the Whitechapel murders?
                    3) I particularly find the mention of commissioner Anderson of great interest. As "the administrator of Le Grand's property".
                    Best regards,
                    Maria

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                    • #11
                      Oh, and I emailed you my meager 4 findings for 4 criminal cases in Copenhagen for a Nielsen-Nielson from 1868-1874.
                      Best regards,
                      Maria

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