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  • Gary... by unfortunates I mean rough sleepers.

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    • Originally posted by Edward Stow View Post
      This obviously wasn't first class cricket.
      Obviously. The question is whether, if that was the universal rule at the higher levels, anyone can find any indication that it was different at other levels.

      In any case, I doubt this is really a crucial point, but if anyone is judging on the basis of the number of overs, it's obviously worth bearing in mind.

      I think the crucial point is when the game would have started, and whether they would have waited for the shops to shut before starting. If they did that, and the shops didn't shut till 4pm, based on RJ's timetables the length of the match would be irrelevant. If they didn't do that, then it's difficult to see this giving Druitt an alibi in the strict sense. Though for me, the simple fact that he can be placed in Dorset both the day before and the day after the murder is important enough.

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      • I suspect the match started after 4 o'clock and was an event to coincide with the shops closing.
        But we shall see.
        More investigation is also needed into the weather that day.
        There are two local undigitised papers the local museum told me about which I may take a trip to the British Library to look at.

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        • Given the date in question here's a possibility. Druitt would have has no reason to be in London, or even in Blackheath, because it was school holiday time. Could he have holidayed at the family home for some days before/after these 3 days. His mother was incarcerated on 5th July. Would it not have been natural for him to go home and provide care/company for his sister. That seems an entirely reasonable possibilty - far more so than going up to London specifically to commit a murder between 2 cricket matches.

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          • Originally posted by Edward Stow View Post
            Gary... by unfortunates I mean rough sleepers.
            Why rough sleepers?

            We we’re checking this over on casebook and we must have looked at 100 examples at random and every single example of ‘unfortunate’ meant prostitute..
            Regards

            Michael🔎


            " When you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable......is probably a little bit boring "

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            • Originally posted by Phil Kellingley View Post
              Given the date in question here's a possibility. Druitt would have has no reason to be in London, or even in Blackheath, because it was school holiday time. Could he have holidayed at the family home for some days before/after these 3 days. His mother was incarcerated on 5th July. Would it not have been natural for him to go home and provide care/company for his sister. That seems an entirely reasonable possibilty - far more so than going up to London specifically to commit a murder between 2 cricket matches.
              It is entirely reasonable. It’s also entirely possible. And there may be evidence of this somewhere but until then it shouldn’t be assumed.
              Regards

              Michael🔎


              " When you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable......is probably a little bit boring "

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              • Originally posted by Chris Phillips View Post
                I have been assuming, as I think most people have, that a "half-holiday" meant the shops closed at lunchtime. Evidently that wasn't at all what it meant in Blandford in the 1880s.

                Early closing had been decided at a public meeting in the Town Hall in April 1883, when it was resolved, subject to consultation, that the shops should close at 4pm from May to September, as reported by the Blandford and Wimborne Telegraph, 27 April 1883:

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                Interestingly the early-closing meeting had been preceded by a meeting held, also in the Town Hall, to found the cricket team. Both meetings were convened by the same two men, W. E. Brennand and E. O. Richards, who were joint secretaries of the Recreation Ground Committee. Both were elected to the committee of the new club. From the same newspaper, on the same page:

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                Evidently the same early-closing arrangement - closure at 4pm - continued beyond the year 1888. Blandford Weekly News, 8 May 1889:

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                I wonder why no one has responded to this Chris?
                Regards

                Michael🔎


                " When you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable......is probably a little bit boring "

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                • Mr Banks
                  that was also satire

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                  • Originally posted by Michael Banks View Post
                    how many serial killers met a victim in an area where they had no direct connection:
                    Interesting that is your point of view in regard to Charles Allen Cross but isn't, to all appearances, your view in regard to Montague John Druitt. Could you explain why?

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                    • Originally posted by Michael Banks View Post

                      It is entirely reasonable. It’s also entirely possible. And there may be evidence of this somewhere but until then it shouldn’t be assumed.
                      I didn't assume it - I pointed it out as a likely possibility. Taking a day visit to London to commit a murder is an unlikely possibility but seems to be assumed solely by those who think Druitt was the killer.

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                      • Originally posted by Michael Banks View Post

                        I wonder why no one has responded to this Chris?
                        I hadn’t responded because I hadn’t seen it until now.

                        A very interesting find, Chris.

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                        • Originally posted by Edward Stow View Post
                          Mr Banks
                          that was also satire
                          Thanks, Hallie!

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                          • Chris’s discovery is very interesting. Why might Mr Brennand of the Recreation Ground Committee have been asked his opinion on early closing? I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest it had to do with the implications early closing would have on usage of the Ground.

                            Perhaps he told them, ‘If you push it forward to 4.00 o’clock, we could then start our cricket matches just after breakfast and get them over and done with before the masses get off work.’

                            (Mr Stow doesn’t have a monopoly on satire)

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                            • Originally posted by Phil Kellingley View Post

                              Interesting that is your point of view in regard to Charles Allen Cross but isn't, to all appearances, your view in regard to Montague John Druitt. Could you explain why?
                              Could you explain why you’ve resorted to a bit of Rubenholdian editing of my quote?

                              3. And, as you believe that he met her elsewhere we might add, how many serial killers met a victim in an area where they had no direct connection but then bought her to a spot that they did have a connection to, to kill and mutilate her.
                              My point wasn’t simply about where the murderer picked up his victim but why he would pick one up at a location that he had no connection to and then take her to a location that he did have a connection to, to killer
                              Regards

                              Michael🔎


                              " When you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable......is probably a little bit boring "

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                              • Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post

                                I hadn’t responded because I hadn’t seen it until now.

                                A very interesting find, Chris.
                                As you’ll probably have guessed Gary, my comment wasn’t aimed at you
                                Regards

                                Michael🔎


                                " When you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable......is probably a little bit boring "

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