A Criminal Romance

[Howard Brown]

Pall Mall Gazette
October 4, 1873
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[Howard Brown]

Notice Ostrog is a pistol packin' Pole in this Belfastian article....

Carrying an eight chambered revolver spells 'armed n' dangerous' to me.

Belfast News Letter
October 3, 1873
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[Howard Brown]

Michael Ostrog, the defiler of Mac's beloved Eton, would not have recognised himself in the Griffiths/Sims' profile as he was not Russian, not a doctor, not habitually cruel to women, did not carry surgical knives, and was not investigated for being a homicidal lunatic.- Jon Hainsworth

Dear JH:

I would think that the ethnicity ( Polish or Russian... ) would not be a big difference, nor the inquiries made to his state of mind as the article Rob Clack kindly provided does mention that he was considered dangerous...and finally, that he was working under the alias of a doctor...a.k.a. Dr. Grant.

So, IMHO...I think he would have recognized that he fit some of the criteria in that profile.

Ostrog was one of the six districts on the Russo/Austrian frontier in 1867 ( Pall Mall Gazette, April 10, 1867 ).

The following comes from the PMG ( same article as the thread starter ).
I would think the police in 1872 had cause to believe Ostrog/Grant/Ashley would resist apprehension to the point of committing violence on any would be captor.

[Rob Clack]

To Rob Clark

Don't work for Jeff do you? He can't spell my name right either.

Yeah, he's a 'dangerous' loonie -- to your wallet.

Perhaps you would like to point out where I said he was a " 'dangerous' loonie"? This what I said, and I'll put it in big letters (sorry I can't make the letters look like crayons so you can read it better).

...but no reason why he should be mentioned as 'a dangerous man'

Rob

[Jonathan Hainsworth]

To Rob Clark

Yeah, he's a 'dangerous' loonie -- to your wallet.

[Jonathan Hainsworth]

To How

I have not got Paul Begg's '--the Facts' in front of me, but he mentions that Macnaghten wrote to an asylum in which Ostrog was sectioned, or had been in, and so on, about 1891 I think.

Mac never mentions, in his letter, that this inmate was suspected by police of being dangerous -- of perhaps even being the Ripper.

Of course not, because he wasn't.

Mac's memoirs dispense with him entirely.

[Rob Clack]

Here's 'The Police Gazette' from Friday 2 November 1888. First published in 'The Ultimate Sourcebook'




No mention of being suspected as Jack the Ripper but no reason why he should be mentioned as 'a dangerous man'

Rob

[Jonathan Hainsworth]

To How

So, I arguing that when Macnaghten briefed Major Griffiths in 1898 about the three alleged top suspects he had known, by late 1894, that Ostrog had been cleared -- he was imprisoned in France at the time of the murders.

Yet, it didn't matter to Macnaghten because Ostrog was never a serious Ripper suspect and his profile had been fictionalized (and Mac knew the name was not going to be published)

Michael Ostrog, the defiler of Mac's beloved Eton, would not have recognised himself in the Griffiths/Sims' profile as he was not Russian, not a doctor, not habitually cruel to women, did not carry surgical knives, and was not investigated for being a homicidal lunatic.

[Jonathan Hainsworth]

To How

Yes, it has been suggested before that the inclusion of Ostrog is because of Eton, and because Macnaghten loved his days at that school more than any other period of his life (it forms the largest chapter in his 1914 memoirs) and so the Old Etonian kept tabs on this roach -- and then used him in the two versions of his 'Report' in 1894 and 1898.

Nick Connell wrote this excellent piece, just toying with the idea of Eton as the partial inspiration for Macnaghten's interest in Ostrog.

http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/rip-ostrogeton.html

Here is the ending:

'Possibly the reason for Macnaghten's inclusion of Ostrog as a prominent suspect was because of the location rather than the nature of the crimes. Eton old boy Macnaghten once said of the college, "to know Eton is to love her, and that love lasts as long as life itself' 10. Would Macnaghten's subjectivity on matters concerning Eton make him believe that Ostrog was, "a vile and terrible person, capable of any atrocity"?'

In my recent, final piece on Macnaghten, 'A Pair of "Jacks"', for 'The New Independent Review' I went much further, arguing that Ostrog was never a Ripper suspect, at all, not even to Macnaghbten.

That his inclusion on the list was due to needing a list to camoflougee that Druitt was the only suspect, after 1891.

Furthermore, that Ostrog had been semi-fictionalsied into a Russian doctor and some sort of would-be murderer. Mac knew about him from the start as he was there, as an Old Etonian, captaining a cricket team at Eton on Ostrog's first thieving 'adventure'.

In late 1894, apparently it became clear to Scotland Yard that Ostrog had been incarcerated in a French jail, the psych ward, during the time of the murders.

Yet in 1898 Macanghetn showed his 'draft' or backdated rewrite of his 'Home Office Report' tto Major Griffiths, or communicated this information to the latter verbally.

Mac knew he was innocent yet he allowed Ostrog tto be publicly accused of the Whitechapel crimes..

But ... what Mac had actually done was create a fictional Ostrog (eg. a real physician rather than thief-con man; habitually cruel to women; a carrier of surgical knives; dangerously homicidal) who would not be recognised even by Ostrog!

We see an echo of the real figure's alibi in the guff which Mac fed Sims in 1907:

'The second man was a Russian doctor, a man of vile character, who had been in various prisons in his own country and ours. The Russian doctor who at the time of the murders was in Whitechapel, but in hiding as it afterwards transpired, was in the habit of carrying surgical knives about with him. He suffered from a dangerous form of insanity, and when inquiries were afterwards set on foot he was found to be in a criminal lunatic asylum abroad. He was a vile and terrible person, capable of any atrocity.'

I argued that the description of Ostrog as vile and atrocious is quite sincere by Mac via Sims, in violating his beloved alma mater.

In an exquisite -- if somewhat adolescent act of [private] revenge -- Macnaghten slandered Ostrog, as a Ripper suspect, though in fictional form.

[Maria Birbili]

Quote How Brown:
Has this angle ever been pursued (It might sound like a silly question, but I honestly don't recall if it has been mentioned or suggested)...that this theft by Ostrog at his alma mater might be, in some way, the reason Macnaghten mentioned this shady character in the 1894 report along with Kozminski & Druitt?
I'm pretty sure I've read this somewhere on the other site, How. Possibly in one of the relevant dissertations. Still, the MO described in the MM doesn't fit with Ostrog. “And if it doesn't fit, we must acquit“ (Ostrog, but we have to explain Macnaghten)...

[Howard Brown]

Question...

Melville Macnaghten was educated at Eton and this incident occurred during the year after he left the school.

Has this angle ever been pursued ( It might sound like a silly question, but I honestly don't recall if it has been mentioned or suggested )...that this theft by Ostrog at his alma mater might be, in some way, the reason Macnaghten mentioned this shady character in the 1894 report along with Kozminski & Druitt ?

Birmingham Daily Post
October 2, 1873
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