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  • Paul Kearney A.K.A. NEMO
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    Thanks Howard


    In the threads about some of the people who actually committed a crime or suicide and were connected with the Ripper case, it was a prevalent excuse that their mind had been affected greatly by reading about the Whitechapel crimes


    Today, gruesome photographs and even videos about horrendous crimes and featuring serial killers are freely available, yet you hear little about similar corruption of the mind in criminal cases

    In fact, it's often considered false to claim an obsession with porn led to rape, or that horror films led to murder etc


    There's an interesting comment in the article in post 1 about the upsurge in strange behaviour in general, and indeed, mental illness connected with mesmerism and hypnotism


    You might remember that Forbes Winslow quite strongly criticised the spiritualist movement for causing mental illness and strange behaviour in public


    I'll check when he said that because I have a suspicion that he might have been regurgitating what the good doctor is saying, though IIRC it was around 1888 and possibly before when LFW said that


    Later, he changed his mind and advocated spiritualism, speaking at spiritualist conferences and the like

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  • Howard Brown
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    Neems:
    I haven't done any work in that area yet.
    A ballpark estimate would be over 75 percent were intoxicated, the remainder put into institutions or jails afterwards.
    I'll have to work on that....

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  • Paul Kearney A.K.A. NEMO
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    Howard, what proportion of the names you collated for the Men who would be the Ripper" article did you find were probably insane? Or rather, how many were sane and confessed or otherwise indicated that they were the Ripper?

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  • Howard Brown
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    The memory over here gets worse, Debs...thanks for posting that link.

    For what its worth, I agree with you and Neems on it being more delusional than confessional.

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  • Debra Arif
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    http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread....ist#post130411

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  • Debra Arif
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    I agree with Nemo. Probably cases along the lines of one I posted here from the asylum records (but can't find now) for various areas of London that I accessed. In one of set asylum admittance notes a man believed he was Jack the Ripper as he imagined his friends and neighbours were calling out that he was behind his back. In another case the doctor notes that a man had dreamed he was Jack the Ripper and he mentions mesmerists telling him to kill in his dreams.
    The excitement and sensation surrounding the murders must have affected the minds of many vulnerable people.

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  • Paul Kearney A.K.A. NEMO
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    Hi Howard

    The article appears to me to be talking about the "I'm Napoleon" type of delusion by certain mental patients rather than a confession type of thing

    Ostrog was in Banstead in 1889, Grainger was there in 1891

    Neither would admit any connection with the Ripper IMO

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  • Howard Brown
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    In reading what Dr. Shaw mentions in the article...is it possible that Ostrog was one of those people he referred to...and possibly, this was in part a reason why Macnaghten includes him in the Macnaghten Memoranda ? Could Ostrog, who was not above using aliases as we well know, have intimated something in relation to the murders which was relayed to Macnaghten ? This 1891 article appears, obviously, three years before the Memoranda was written. What do you think ?

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  • Howard Brown
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    We be two peas of the same pod, Mr. James...I woke up five minutes ago to head over to this thread.

    Last night, it dawned on me that Ostrog was in Banstead Asylum at that time ( I had to go and check the date.......May 5, 1891 ).

    Perhaps the "Professor Of Bacteria" was one of those who Shaw referred to ?

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  • Dave James
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    Hi How,
    From the Daily News:
    Attached Files

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  • Howard Brown
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    Dr. Shaw Of Banstead Asylum

    Pall Mall Gazette
    September 12, 1891
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