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  • Phillip Walton
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    Mitre Street is to the west of Mitre Square, the main access to the square itself is from Mitre Street. Mitre Street at one time only went as far as the square, the northern part of the street may have indeed been called Mitre Court.

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  • Harry Poland
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    Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
    That's the one in St. James Place (or Dukes Court?) then, right?

    The one I'm looking at was in Mitre Court which I believe later became Mitre Street, I understand that this was a little to the south of Mitre Square but as always stand to be corrected

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  • Scott Nelson
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    That's the one in St. James Place (or Dukes Court?) then, right?

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  • Harry Poland
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    After his period of incarceration John seems to vanish. I've found (probably) his sister, Ellen working at the Mitre Tavern, next to mitre square in 1881

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  • Howard Brown
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    Penny Illustrated Paper
    April 12, 1872
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  • Howard Brown
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    Harry:
    It must have been a peace, love and dove month for the magistrates.
    Here's an article about some fellow who attacked a constable with a knife and received no jail time.

    Illustrated Police News
    March 23, 1872
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    Anyway.....this was in that issue of the IPN.

    This is another facet of this murder which reminds me a lot of Emma Smith's demise...that she didn't die right away.
    Having been attacked on a Sunday....she finally succumbed on a Thursday. 4 days and yet she didn't roll over on the perp.

    Illustrated Police News
    March 23, 1872
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  • Harry Poland
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    Superb stuff Howard.

    I now know I'm looking at the right man in Ancestry as his address on 1871 census is the same. We've now got his employer and his employment

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  • Howard Brown
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    In the March 18th edition of the Leeds Mercury...the newspaper reported that Crew did not state who attacked her when asked.

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  • Howard Brown
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    Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper
    March 17, 1872
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  • Harry Poland
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    Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
    Here's a question for you, Har.

    The crime was committed in Mile End.
    Yet it says here that it was committed in Limehouse.
    Any thoughts ?
    The attack took place at 2 York Row or Road, Ratcliff which is pretty close to Limehouse.

    Caroline Crew died in the "London Hospital" which, I think is what is now Barts on Mile End Road

    The death was actually registerd in Whitechapel.

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  • Howard Brown
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    The Times
    March 16, 1872
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  • Howard Brown
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    Just picked up on your comment about the lodging house keeper claiming Kirby & Crew were 'common lawing' it.
    Thats some CYA in action.

    With a remark like that about the 'bloody cows'...its difficult to understand how he didn't receive more than that much time.
    Of course, beating women into a pulp would sometimes find the perp recieving 1 month....but this fellow Kirby, at least to me, was really over the top...

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  • Howard Brown
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    Here's a question for you, Har.

    The crime was committed in Mile End.
    Yet it says here that it was committed in Limehouse.
    Any thoughts ?

    Pall Mall Gazette
    March 16, 1872
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  • Harry Poland
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    That's a great find Howard. Kind of confirms the suspicions regarding the victim. Of course the lodging house owner in her testimony claimed that she was Kirby's common law wife. Also you've now found the prison where he was sent :-)

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  • Howard Brown
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    Here's a reference to the crime :
    Crew's death occurred on March 10th, a Sunday.

    Daily News
    March 16, 1872
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