New Cutbush Book : The Man Who Would Be Jack: The Hunt For Jack The Ripper

[AP Wolf]

Well, regardless of the press, and the Sun in particular, CHC fared well in the pension stakes. Just a little something I posted way back in 2005:

'The Police Guardian. Friday, October 21st 1887'.

'Presentation To Superintendent Cutbush.
At Scotland-yard late on Saturday afternoon Chief Superintendent Dunlap, at the request of the subscribers, presented to Superintendent Cutbush, of the executive department, Scotland Yard, a handsome purse containing 50 sovereigns'.

I think we should be very careful here to make sure that when we look at Cutbush's private role in the pension's fund of the Metropolitan force we do not confuse that with his official position in the Metropolitan force.
In his role in pension funds he was acting - more or less - as a trade unionist, against the very departments he controlled, but in his official role he was something quite different.
The press reports of the time show him just as active at beating Fenian heads as he was at championing the cause of police pensions in almost confrontational situations with his superiors.
Somewhere along the line we are also forgetting the report concerning daily police movements and beats that Robert found where CHC is clearly operating at a superior level of the Metropolitan Force than that of a clerk.

[AP Wolf]

I should point out that the 'subscribers' are the police officers who contributed to the pension fund on a weekly basis.
Fifty gold sovereigns is, and was, a powerful lot of money.

[Debra Arif]

Somewhere along the line we are also forgetting the report concerning daily police movements and beats that Robert found where CHC is clearly operating at a superior level of the Metropolitan Force than that of a clerk.

No one is forgetting anything. I'm just posting stuff I find interesting but I'm beginning to think it's a waste of time.

[Chris G.]

Keep the info coming, Debs. The more the merrier.

[Howard Brown]

True, Robert. I think I've seen books on google (only annoying snippets mind you) that claim to be the Met Police Superannuation accounts so maybe the Sun were just trying to cause trouble?
Debs

Debs....if I can help find the meat and potatos in full, please send me a link and I'll try to get the goods you're looking for.
XXX

[AP Wolf]

Old post, rediscovered:

'A quick note on the early retirement of Charles Henry Cutbush:

‘No policeman may retire on a pension under sixty years of age, unless on the certificate of the chief surgeon that he is unfit for duty.’

Metropolitan Police. 1889.

He did, so he must have been unfit for duty.'

[Robert Linford]

Hi AP

I do agree that CHC was probably unfit for service in 1891 - after all, he killed himself a few years later. But on the technical point about retirement,I think the 1890 act allowed for a pension for all officers who had completed 25 years service - I'm fairly sure that CHC had the required 25 years though I'd need to check through old posts to be certain.

http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Police-staff-and-pension-records/1400015496899/1400015496899

Debs, re the Sun, one thing that's always intrigued me is that O'Connor didn't mention the Sun articles in 1894 in Parliament. In fact, I think that was the only year when he didn't speak at all (from 1880 to 1928).

[Rob Clack]

That had changed by the time Cutbush retired. Can't remember the details of hand but around 1890 retirement was after 25 years service. Abberline took advantage of it for one.

Rob

[AP Wolf]

Bloody pension laws are always changing! And here is little ol me only two years away from that dreadful date.
Anyways... where exactly was that newsagent who wrote a letter to the Sun about young Thomas?

'Draft surrender, engrossed copy and warrant ACC/0351/433, 434, 435 1899

Contents:
William Cutbush of High Street, Highgate newspaper agent, to Edward Lyon Shelton of Manor House, Hornsey Solicitor and Amelia his wife.
to enter satisfaction of mortgage.
7 cottages as in ACC/0351/432.
Remarks: In warrant Rev. G. S. Weston is described as of 117 London Road, St. Leonards on Sea, co. Sussex and W. B. Lofthouse as of Endcliffe, Caterham Valley. Co. Surrey, gent.'

[Debra Arif]

The papers said he retired on ill health. It was claimed to have been brought on due to his large workload since Henderson left in 1886. He never returned from his 1891 sick leave and was said to be seriously ill in July 1891.

Thanks Robert. I didn't know that about O'Connor.

[AP Wolf]

Finally, the reason for Thomas Taylor Cutbush's abrupt departure to the Antipodes. Took a while.

Cutbush, James [1, 2]
Born 1827 Highgate, Middlesex, EnglandFind all individuals with events at this location [1, 2]
Christened 1 Apr 1827 Highgate, Middlesex, EnglandFind all individuals with events at this location [3]
Saint Michael
Gender Male
Registration Between 1 Jul 1885 and 30 Sep 1885 Pancras, London, Middlesex, EnglandFind all individuals with events at this location [4]
Death
Volume 1b, Page 97
Occupation Nursery Garden Owner [2]
Reference Number 40209
_UID 88FC802850ED4164B3069E73DF8E8E03D643
Died 2 Aug 1885 Highgate, Middlesex, EnglandFind all individuals with events at this location [1, 2]
Buried 6 Aug 1885 Highgate, Middlesex, EnglandFind all individuals with events at this location [2]
Highgate Cemetery
Age 58 years
Notes
(Research):
Hi Phil,

I am researching a WILLIAM MONTAGUE CUTBUSH who married in 1864 at St George, Sydney NSW Australia,
his wife Agnes Catherine Carney (1842-1868) died of Thyhus Fever 14th Jan. 1868, his infant daughter Edith Maud Cutbush died 17th Feb. 1868. William took his only surviving child CHARLES AUGUSTUS CUTBUSH to Western Australia.
William died 6th Sept. 1924 in Leederville, Perth. WA, aged 88 years.

I have not found another marriage for him.

Decided to do some other state researches, and came across your JAMES CUTBUSH, entry below, and wondered why the
ad was published here in oz.
"CUTBUSH - On the 2nd August, at his residence, West Hill, Highgate, suddenly, of apoplexy, JAMES CUTBUSH, of the Horticulture Nurseries, Highgate, Barnet and Finchley, aged 57 years" as published in The Brisbane Courier, dated Tuesday 13th October, 1885 page 1 Column 1, 'DEATHS".

Is it possible that he had a daughter or son living out here.
Came up with 2 other CUTBUSH's living in Queensland: GEORGE BACK CUTBUSH and CHARLES CUTBUSH, they had an only sister MARY ANN CUTBUSH who died at Pakenham, Suffolk aged 33 years (Brisbane Courier dated 12th July 1879). George Back Cutbush died in Queensland in 1914 not found a death for Charles, George's parents were listed as William and Elizabeth.

yours in family history research

Adele Whitmore (Carney)
Coffs Harbour NSW
Person ID I40209 The Williams Family Tree
Last Modified 25 Aug 2013

Father Cutbush, William , b. 8 Feb 1788, Sandhurst, Cranbrook, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 27 Jan 1854, Highgate, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location – Age: 65 years
Mother Belton, Sarah , b. 1795, Croydon, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 6 Sep 1861, Highgate, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location – Age: 66 years
Married 2 Oct 1820 St. Alphage, GreenwichFind all individuals with events at this location [1, 2]

Initial information received from Gill Greatley (William's 2 x great grand-daughter) who is descended from Reuben.

William and Sarah's marriage is on the IGI, however none of their children's baptisms appear, and I would expect there to have been children earlier than James b. 1827 since they were married in 1820.

There are two possible baptisms; for Amelia in 1821 and John in 1824.
Both are at different churches, and that for Amelia spells Cutbush with an E on the end. Neither are found on censuses.

William was the founder of a Nursery Gardens which bore his name and which ran from about 1830 still held the name until 1960, albeit then a garden centre. [2]
Family ID F12182 Group Sheet

Family Hickman, Elizabeth Mary Ann , b. 12 Aug 1831, Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Yes, date unknown
Married Between Jan 1855 and Mar 1855 Edmonton, Middlesex, EnglandFind all individuals with events at this location [2]
James was a partner with his father in the family Nursery Garden business in Highgate, and then went on to run it himself. In 1881 he employed 58 men and 10 boys.

The family lived for 20 years at 1 West Hill, Highgate. Whilst the daughters stayed at home, and were probably educated at local ladies schools or at home (although no governess is recorded) the three boys were sent to boarding schools; Herbert to Brunswick House in Barnett and William and Ernest to Totteridge Park in Hertford.

In 1891, after James had died, the family moved to Barnet, Hertfordshire. Amy was in 1891 at the Royal Masonic Girls School as a boarder, and Jessie at the London Orphans school in Watford, also boarding.
Elizabeth was in Barnet in 1901, with Ethel living at home.

Gill has Elizabeth Hickman Cutbush as died 1922, but I haven't found that registration. [2]

[Debra Arif]

Finally, the reason for Thomas Taylor Cutbush's abrupt departure to the Antipodes. Took a while.

I don't see a reason or even a connection there. What is the reason he left?

[AP Wolf]

Debs, you gave up a couple of messages ago. I'll give up right now, if you really cannot see the connection to Highgate and the Cutbush nursey, and Australia. That is you and me done. Enjoy.

[Debra Arif]

Debs, you gave up a couple of messages ago. I'll give up right now, if you really cannot see the connection to Highgate and the Cutbush nursey, and Australia. That is you and me done. Enjoy.

I see that some relations of the Highgate Cutbushes were also in Oz. So?

[Chris G.]

I was riding up in the elevator toward my floor at work today with the head of our organization and another guy with whom I regularly discuss politics and international affairs. The latter asked me, "Anything new about Jack the Ripper?" The only thing I could think to say honestly and summarily was, "It's complicated!"