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  • Tom_Wescott
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    Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
    Yeah, a typical Debbie...a typical muggins Debbie to be precise.

    regarding the Pizer research, I seem to think Chris Philips may have been the first person to post detailed research on him back in his 2007posts? That's as far back a mention as I could get in the archives using google anyway.

    http://forum.casebook.org/archive/index.php/t-1079.html
    Yes, you're correct. Chris Phillips and Chris Scott have provided us all the background material on Pizer. Perhaps Mike has uncovered even more. I recall looking at some of those old posts when I was researching LA.

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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  • Mike Covell
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    The references for the Hull Newspaper's stuff is solely based on local research, the material on Stephenson and Deeming is much larger, at last count the Stephenson references where close to 27 pages long and cover everyone who has ever written anything about Stephenson. The same with Deeming.

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  • Debra Arif
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    Originally posted by Mike Covell View Post
    The following is the acknowledgements in Newspapers From Hull, I edited so that Debra Arif has just one F. The acknowledgements in all my work comes from the people I have spoken too. I have referenced the books I had read in the reference section, which I will post shortly. As most of my research is research undertaken at the Hull History Centre, or via the British Library Newspapers, I have rarely taken information from others or had others submit me information, if that was the case they are mentioned.


    Thanks for correcting that particular spelling ,Mike.

    Just a quick comment on this as I'm not wanting to get involved in any sort of fight, but I agree totally with what Neal Shelden was getting at the other day. Shouldn't we all just try and acknowledge and reference specifically the work of previous researchers who have covered the exact same subjects that we might also be researching and writing about? If we are aware of it, or if details details can be easily found. Referencing others' work and research correctly is one of the first things taught at uni so there is importance placed on this in all areas.

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  • Mike Covell
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    Jack the Ripper - General Reference

    American Murders of Jack the Ripper, R. Michael Gordon, Lyons Press, 2005
    Autobiography of Jack the Ripper, The, James Carnac, Bantam Press, 2012
    Beaver Book of Horror, The, Daniel Farson, Beaver Books, 2007
    Bell Tower, The, Robert Graysmith, Regnery, 1999
    By Ear and Eyes, Karyo Magellan, Longshot Publishing, 2005
    Carroty Nell – The Last Victim of Jack the Ripper, John E. Keefe, Menotomy Publishing, 2010
    Carroty Nell – The Last Victim of Jack the Ripper, John E. Keefe, Menotomy Publishing, 2012
    Complete History of Jack the Ripper, The, Philip Sugden, Robinson Publishing, 2002
    Complete Jack the Ripper, The, Donald Rumbelow, W. H. Allen, 1976
    Complete Jack the Ripper, The, Donald Rumbelow, Penguin Books, 1988
    Complete Jack the Ripper, The, Donald Rumbelow, Penguin Books, 2004
    Crimes and Times of Jack the Ripper, The, Tom Cullen, Fontana, 1973
    Crimes, Detection and Death of Jack the Ripper, Martin Fido, George Weidenfield and Nicholson Ltd,
    1987
    Crimes, Detection and Death of Jack the Ripper, Martin Fido, Orion Books, 1993
    Crimes of Jack the Ripper, The, Paul Roland, Arcturus Publishing, 2006
    Diary of Jack the Ripper, The, Shirley Harrison, Hyperion Publishing, 1993
    Diary of Jack the Ripper, The, Shirley Harrison, Blake Publishing, 1998
    Diary of Jack the Ripper, The, - Another Chapter, James Stettler, Area Nine Publishing, 2009
    Dracula Secrets, The, Jack the Ripper and the Darkest Sources of Bram Stoker, Neil R. Storey, History
    Press, 2012
    E1- A Journey Through Whitechapel and Spitalfields, John G. Bennett, Five Leaves Publishing, 2009
    Enigma of Jack the Ripper, The, John de Locksley, 1994
    Epiphany of the Whitechapel Murders, Karen Trenouth, Author House, 2006
    First Jack the Ripper Victim Photographs, The, Robert J. McLaughlin, Zwerghaus Books, 2005
    Fox and the Flies, The, Charles Van Onselen, Vintage, 2008
    From Hell- The Jack the Ripper Mystery, Bob Hinton, Old Bakehouse Publications, 1998
    Identity of Jack the Ripper, The, Donald McCormick, Arrow Books, 1970
    Illustrated Guide to Jack the Ripper, An, Peter Fisher, P. and D. Riley, 1996
    In the Footsteps of the Whitechapel Murders, John F. Plimmer, The Book Guild, 1998
    Jack the Ripper, Andrew Cook, Amberley, 2009
    Jack the Ripper, Daniel Farson, Sphere, 1973
    Jack the Ripper, John Mcllwain, Pitkin Guides, Jarrold Publishing
    Jack the Ripper, Mark Whitehead and Miriam Rivett, Pocket Essentials, 2001
    Jack the Ripper, Mark Whitehead and Miriam Rivett, Pocket Essentials, 2006
    Jack the Ripper, Susan McNicoll, Altitude Publishing, 2005
    Jack the Ripper- A Bibliography and Review of the Literature, Andrew Kelly, Association of Assistant
    Librarians, 1973
    Jack the Ripper- A Bibliography and Review of the Literature, Andrew Kelly, Association of Assistant
    Librarians, 1984
    Jack the Ripper- A Bibliography and Review of the Literature, Andrew Kelly, Association of Assistant
    Librarians, 1994
    Jack the Ripper- A Bibliography and Review of the Literature, Andrew Kelly, Association of Assistant
    Librarians, 1995
    Jack the Ripper- A to Z, Paul Begg, Martin Fido, and Keith Skinner, Headline Book Publishing, 1991
    Jack the Ripper- A to Z, Paul Begg, Martin Fido, and Keith Skinner, Headline Book Publishing, 1992
    Jack the Ripper- A to Z, Paul Begg, Martin Fido, and Keith Skinner, Headline Book Publishing, 1994
    Jack the Ripper- A to Z, Paul Begg, Martin Fido, and Keith Skinner, Headline Book Publishing, 1996
    Jack the Ripper- A to Z, Paul Begg, Martin Fido, and Keith Skinner, John Blake, 2010
    Jack the Ripper- American Hero, Jacob Corbett, Amazon, 2012
    Jack the Ripper- An Encyclopaedia, John J. Eddleston, Metro Publishing, 2002
    Jack the Ripper- An Encyclopaedia, John J. Eddleston, Metro Publishing, 2010
    Jack the Ripper- Anatomy of a Myth, William Beadle, Wat Tyler Books, 1995
    Jack the Ripper- And Black Magic, Spiro Dimolianis, McFarland, 2011
    Jack the Ripper- And the East End, Alex Werner, Chatto and Windus, 2008
    Jack the Ripper- And the Irish Press, Alan Sharp, Ashfield Press, 2005
    Jack the Ripper- And the London Press, Lewis Perry Curtis, Yale University, 2001
    Jack the Ripper- Black Magic Rituals, Ivor Edwards, John Blake Publishing, 2003
    Jack the Ripper- Casebook, Richard Jones, Andre Deutsch, 2008
    Jack the Ripper- Crime Archive, Val Horsler, National Archives, 2007
    Jack the Ripper- End of a Legend, Calum Reuben Knight, Athena Press, 2005
    Jack the Ripper- His Life and Crimes in Popular Entertainment, Gary Colville and Patrick Lucanio,
    McFarland, 2009
    Jack the Ripper- Infamous Serial Killer, Filiquarian Publications, 2008
    Jack the Ripper- In Fact and Fiction, Robin Odell, Mandrake Publishing, 2009
    Jack the Ripper- Letters from Hell, Stewart P. Evans and Keith Skinner, Sutton Publishing, 2004
    Jack the Ripper- Light Hearted Friend, Richard Wallace, Gemini Press, 1997
    Jack the Ripper- Location Photographs, The, Philip Hutchinson, Amberley Publishing, 2009
    Jack the Ripper- Media, Culture, History, Alexandra Warwick and Martin Willis, Manchester University
    Press, 2007
    Jack the Ripper- One Hundred Years of Mystery, Peter Underwood, Blandford Press, 1987
    Jack the Ripper- Opposing Viewpoints, Katie Colby-Newton, Greenhaven, 1990
    Jack the Ripper- Quest for a Killer, M. J. Trow, Wharncliffe True Crime, 2009
    Jack the Ripper- Revealed and Revisited, John Wilding, Express Newspapers, 2006
    Jack the Ripper- Scotland Yard Investigates, Stewart P. Evans and Donald Rumbelow, Sutton Publishing,
    2006
    Jack the Ripper- Summing up and Verdict, Colin Wilson and Robin Odell, Corgi Books, 1992
    Jack the Ripper- The 21st Century Investigation, Trevor Marriott, John Blake Publishing, 2005
    Jack the Ripper- The 21st Century Investigation, Trevor Marriott, John Blake Publishing, 2007
    Jack the Ripper- The American Connection, Shirley Harrison, Blake Publishing, 2003
    Jack the Ripper- The Bloody Truth, Melvin Harris, Columbus Books, 1987
    Jack the Ripper- The Celebrity Suspects, Mike Holgate, History Press, 2008
    Jack the Ripper- The Definitive History, Paul Begg, Pearson Education Limited, 2004
    Jack the Ripper- The Facts, Paul Begg, Robson Books, 2006
    Jack the Ripper- The Final Chapter, Paul H. Feldman, Virgin Books, 2002
    Jack the Ripper- The Final Chapter, Paul H. Feldman, Virgin Books, 2007
    Jack the Ripper- The Final Solution, Stephen Knight, Harrap, 1976
    Jack the Ripper- The Final Solution, Stephen Knight, Panther, 1981
    Jack the Ripper- The Final Solution, Stephen Knight, Harper Collins, 1994
    Jack the Ripper- The Hand of a Woman, John Morris, Seren Books, 2012
    Jack the Ripper- The Murders and the Movies, Denis Meikle, Reynolds and Hearn Ltd, 2002
    Jack the Ripper- The Mystery Solved, Paul Harrison, Robert Hale, 1993
    Jack the Ripper- The Satanic Team, Karen Trenouth, Author House, 2007
    Jack the Ripper- The Simple Truth, Bruce Paley, Headline Publishing, 1996
    Jack the Ripper- The Uncensored Facts, Paul Begg, Robson Books, 1989
    Jack the Ripper, The Whitechapel Murderer, Terry Lynch, Wordsworth Editions, 2008
    Jack the Ripper- Unmasked, William Beadle, John Blake Publishing, 2009
    Jack the Ripper- Unveiled, John de Locksley, 1994
    Jack the Ripper- Walk, The, Paul Garner, Louis London Walks, 2002
    Jack the Ripper- Whitechapel Murders, The, Kevin O’Donnell, Andy and Sue Parlour, Ten Bells
    Publishing, 1997
    Jimmy Kelly’s Year of the Ripper Murders, 1888, John Morrison, 1983
    Last Victim, The, Anne E. Graham and Carol Emmas, Headline Publishing, 1998
    Lodger- Arrest and Escape of Jack the Ripper, The, Stewart P. Evans and Paul Gainey, Century Publishing,
    1995
    London of Jack the Ripper Then and Now, The, Robert Clack and Philip Hutchinson, Breedon Books, 2007
    London of Jack the Ripper Then and Now, The, 2nd Edition, Robert Clack and Philip Hutchinson, Breedon
    Books, 2009
    Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper, The, Maxim Jakubowski and Nathan Braund, Constable and Robinson,
    1999
    Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper, The, Maxim Jakubowski and Nathan Braund, Castle Books, 2005
    Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper, The, Maxim Jakubowski and Nathan Braund, Constable and Robinson,
    2008
    Man that Hunted Jack the Ripper, The, Nicholas Connell and Stewart P. Evans, Amberley, 2009
    Many Faces of Jack the Ripper, The, M. J. Trow, Summersdale Publishing, 1997
    Murder and Madness- The Secret Life of Jack the Ripper, David Abrahamsen M.D., F.A.C.Pn., Avon
    Books, 1993
    Mystery of Jack the Ripper, The, Leonard Matters, Arrow Books, 1964
    News from Whitechapel, The, Alexander Chisholm, Christopher Michael DiGrazia, Dave Yost, McFarland
    And Co, 2002
    Portrait of a Serial Killer-Jack the Ripper-Case Closed, Patricia Cornwell, Little Brown, 2002
    Portrait of a Serial Killer-Jack the Ripper-Case Closed, Patricia Cornwell, Time Warner, 2003
    Prince Jack- The True Story of Jack the Ripper, Frank Spiering, Jove Books, 1980
    Public Reactions to Jack the Ripper, Stephen P. Ryder (Ed) Inklings Press, 2006
    Ramble with Jack the Ripper, A, John de Locksley, 1996
    Ripper and the Royals, The, Melvyn Fairclough, Duckbacks, 2002
    Ripper Code, The, Thomas Toughill, Sutton Publishing, 2008
    Ripper File, The, Elwyn Jones and John Lloyd, Futura Publications, 1975
    Ripper File, The, Melvin Harris, W. H. Allen and Co., 1989
    Ripper in Ramsgate, The, Christopher Scott, Michaels Bookshop, 2008
    Ripper Legacy, The, Martin Howells and Keith Skinner, Sphere Books Ltd, 1988
    Ripper Suspect, D. J. Leighton, Sutton Publishing, 2006
    Ripperology, Paul Begg (Ed) Barnes and Noble, 2007
    Ripperology, Robin Odell, Kent State University Press, 2006
    Saucy Jack- The Elusive Ripper, Paul Woods and Gavin Baddeley, Ian Allan Publishing, 2009
    Sickert and the Ripper Crimes, Jean Overton Fuller, Mandrake Publishing, 2003
    Search For Jack the Ripper- A Psychic Investigation, Pamela Ball, Midpoint Press, 2006
    Secret of Prisoner 1167- Was this man Jack the Ripper?, James Tully, Robinson Publishing, 1998
    The Harlot Killer- The story of Jack the Ripper in Fact and Fiction, Alan Barnard, Dodd Mead, 1953
    The Man who would be Jack – The Hunt for the real Ripper, David Bullock, Robson Press, 2012
    The Prince, His Tutor, and the Ripper, Deborah McDonald, McFarland and Company Inc. 2007
    The Trial of Jack the Ripper, Euan Macpherson, Mainstream Publishing, 2005
    Thames Torso Murders, The, M. J. Trow, Wharncliffe Books, 2011
    Ultimate Jack the Ripper Sourcebook, The, Stewart P. Evans and Keith Skinner, Robinson Publishing, 2001
    Uncle Jack, Tony Williams and Humphrey Price, Orion Books, 2006
    Uncovering Jack the Rippers London, Richard Jones, New Holland, 2007
    Victims of Jack the Ripper, The, Neal Stubbings Sheldon, Inklings Press, 2007
    Whitechapel Murders Solved, The, John Plimmer, House of Stratus, 2003
    Who was Jack the Ripper? Winston Forbes-Jones, Pipeline Promotions, 1988
    Will the Real jack the Ripper, Arthur Douglas, Countryside Publications, 1979

    Jack the Ripper – Press Associated

    Illustrated Police News, Steve Jones, Wicked Publications, 2002
    Jack the Ripper, Andrew Cook
    Jack the Ripper and the London Press, L. Perry Curtis, Jnr, Yale University, 2001
    London Correspondence: Jack the Ripper and the Irish Press, Alan Sharp, Ashfield Press, 2005
    News From Whitechapel-Jack the Ripper in the Daily Telegraph, Alexander Chisholm, Christopher Michael DiGrazia, and Dave Yost, McFarland and Company Inc, Publishers, 2002
    Public Reactions to Jack the Ripper, Stephen P. Ryder, Inklings Press, 2006
    Ripper Notes-How the Newspapers Covered the Jack the Ripper Murders, Issue 21, Edited by Dan Norder, Inklings Press, January 2005

    Hull History

    Architecture of the Victorian era of Kingston upon Hull 1830-1914, Highgate Press, Ian N Goldthorpe, 2005.
    Aspects of Hull, David Goodman, (Ed,) Wharncliffe Books,
    Aspects of the Yorkshire Coast, Alan Whitworth, (Ed,) Wharncliffe Books,
    Aspects of the Yorkshire Coast 2, Alan Whitworth, (Ed,) Wharncliffe Books, 2000
    Atkinson’s Trade Directory of Hull 1888
    The Book of Hull, John Markham, Barracuda Books Limited, 1989
    Breath of Sculcoates, A, Hull and District Local History Research Group, Heitage Lottery Fund, Developing our Communities, 2007
    East Riding Chapels and Meeting Houses, East Yorkshire Local History Society, David Neave and Susan Neave, 1990
    Forgotten Hull Kingston Press, Graham Wilkinson
    Forgotten Hull 2, Kingston Press, Graham Wilkinson, 2000
    Fourth Estate in Hull - The Life and Times of the Daily Press, The, Geoffrey Boland, Hull Local Studies, 2005
    Georgian Hull, Ivan and Elisabeth Hall, William Sessions Ltd, 1978
    Historical Atlas of East Yorkshire, An, Susan Neave and Stephen Ellis, (Ed,) University of Hull Press, 1996
    History of the Yorkshire Coast Fishing Industry 1780-1914, Roy Robinson, Hull University Press, 1987
    History of Seed Crushing in Great Britain, Harold W. Brace, Land Books, 1960
    Hull and Scarborough Railway, C. T. Goode, Burstwick Publicity Services, 2000
    Hull Schools in Victorian Times, Pete Railton, 1995
    Illustrated History of Hulls Railways, Irwell Press, M Nicholson and W.B.Yeadon, 1993
    Images of Victorian Hull - F.S. Smith’s drawings of the Old Town, Text by Caroline Aldridge, Hutton Press, 1989
    Innes Heritage Collection of Hull, The, Michael Thompson, Hutton Press, 1994
    Kelly’s Trade Directory of Hull 1889
    Lost Churches and Chapels of Hull, Hutton Press, David Neave, 1991
    Lost Pubs of Hull, Kingston Press, Paul Gibson and Graham Wilkinson, 1999
    Lost Railways of Holderness, the Hull-Hornsea lines, the Hull-Withernsea lines, Hutton Press, Peter Price, 1989
    More Illustrated History of Hulls Railways, Challenger Publications, W.B.Yeadon, 1995
    Old and New Hull, T. Tindall Willdridge, M. C. Peck and Son, 1884
    Railways of Hull, C. T. Goode, Burstwick Publicity Services, 1992
    Sculcoates- Ancient and Modern, Christine Gould and David Knappett, Oriel Printing Company, 1991

    Maps

    Jack the Ripper, Whitechapel Map 1888, Geoff Cooper and Gordon Punter, 2003
    Whitechapel, Spitalfields and the Bank 1873, Alan Godfrey Maps, 2006
    Whitechapel, Spitalfields and the Bank 1894, Alan Godfrey Maps, 2006
    Highbury and Islington 1871, Alan Godfrey Maps, 2006
    Highbury and Islington 1894, Alan Godfrey Maps, 2006
    Highbury and Islington 1914, Alan Godfrey Maps, 2006
    Upper Holloway 1869, Alan Godfrey Maps, 1999
    Upper Holloway 1894, Alan Godfrey Maps, 2005
    Upper Holloway 1914, Alan Godfrey Maps, 1997
    Hull Old Town1853, Alan Godfrey Maps, 1988
    Hull Railway Dock and Paragon Stn 1853, Alan Godfrey Maps, 2008
    Hull Alexandra Dock 1908, Alan Godfrey Maps, 2007
    Hull Hessle Road1928, Alan Godfrey Maps, 1987
    Hull East 1908, Alan Godfrey Maps, 2007
    Hull East 1928, Alan Godfrey Maps, 1987
    Hull North East 1980, Alan Godfrey Maps, 2007
    Hull West 1908, Alan Godfrey Maps, 2006
    Hull West 1928, Alan Godfrey Maps, 1987
    I also consulted numerous maps held on file at Hull Local Studies Library.

    Miscellaneous Files

    CQB436 Michaelmas Quarter Sessions 1900
    CQB437 Epiphany Quarter Sessions 1901
    CQN/1 Calendar of Prisoners 1893-1904
    CDPM/2/6 Minute Book January – April 1891

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  • Mike Covell
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    Acknowledgements from Newspapers...

    Sorry folks, been out all morning and only just got this thread, The following is the acknowledgements in Newspapers From Hull, I edited so that Debra Arif has just one F. The acknowledgements in all my work comes from the people I have spoken too. I have referenced the books I had read in the reference section, which I will post shortly. As most of my research is research undertaken at the Hull History Centre, or via the British Library Newspapers, I have rarely taken information from others or had others submit me information, if that was the case they are mentioned.



    First and foremost I would like to acknowledge the support of my family, who have stood by my crazy ideas and decisions and sat quietly whilst I tried to type this up! My wife Susan has been a rock and I wish to take this opportunity to thank her for her love and support, my children Bradley, Alyssa, and William, for their cuddles and smiles. My Mother and Father, for their constant support, inspiration and technical help. During the time of writing my Father passed away but his ongoing support and encouragement helped me along this path. We have seen some dark times, and hopefully this is the start of something positive. No book on Hull Newspapers would be complete without the invaluable help of all the staff at Hull Local Studies Library. Each and every question was asked and each and every need catered for. Every time the staff went above and beyond the call of duty, and for that I truly thank them. I also offer my deepest thanks to Hull City Council’s Archives Department, who again helped me in every step I took. Their hard work and dedication did not go unnoticed. At the time of writing the Hull Local History unit and the Hull City Council’s Archives have amalgamated with the Hull University Archives to form the Hull History Centre. I have had the pleasure of lecturing at the Hull History Centre on several occasions and they building, staff and crowd are always fantastic. My thanks also go to the hardworking staff at The Carnegie Heritage Centre, whose warm and knowledgeable staff make every visit one to remember. Special thanks must go to Liz Shepard and Paul Gibson of the Carnegie Heritage Action Group for their help and advice. I have had the pleasure of lecturing on the Ripper and my research at Carnegie and it is always a warm welcome and great atmosphere with a cracking cuppa! Special thanks and acknowledgements to Howard and Nina Brown of the JTR Forums, http://www.jtrforums.com/ Howard and Nina have helped shape and mould my many theories and helped provide a sound stage for my research. Not only that, but they have become close friends, and for that alone I thank them. Thank you to Stephen P Ryder of the Ripper Casebook http://www.casebook.org/intro.html, who provided me with a stage for my research and a casebook blog for my work to be presented. Stephen is a major force in the community and an inspiration to all Ripperologists. Thank you to all of the Hull Daily MailYourmail” team who provided me with an excellent site to write about my passions! Whilst the site has since gone, the feedback that my work received inspired me to work on projects such as this. It also opened up several doors and avenues of research for me, and made me many friends and contacts for life. To Alan Brigham, Michael Lake, and Nicholas Evans, all have helped shape and inspire me to continue in this work. A special thank you must go to Richard Sutherland who was working at Waterstones in Hull when I began this book. Richard helped in the early stages, and is a very knowledgeable, friendly young man. To all the Ripperologists, whom I am lucky enough to call friends, who have helped along the way, I have put you all in alphabetical order to avoid you all arguing in the forums over who I mentioned first! Alan Sharp, Ali and Lee Bevan, Brian L. Porter, Bob Hinton, Chris George, Chris Scott, Chris Jones, Colin Cobb, Dave and Sandra Yost, Debra Arif, Gareth Williams, Jon Rees, John Savage, Martin Fido, Paul Begg, Philip Hutchinson, Ricky Cobb, Robert Clark, Robert J. McLaughlin, Richard Jones, Suzi Haney, and everyone else who has taken time out to discuss my research. To all the team at Ripperologist Magazine, including Adam Wood, Chris George, Chris Scott, and Paul Begg, who have helped me with my research, offered me a platform to talk about Ripper related blogs and all things connected to Hull. Thank you!! I would also like to thank everyone at the Rippercast Podcast, especially the main man Jonathan Menges for his help and support. I would also like to take this opportunity to thank the listeners who have contacted me from across the globe as far away as Australia, New Zealand, Japan, China, Canada, America and of course Kingston upon Hull. I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone on the social media circuit that has supported my work, with fantastic help and advice from the gang on Facebook and Twitter, and of course all those who have visited my Jack the Ripper blog.

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  • Debra Arif
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    Originally posted by Tom_Wescott View Post
    She is just such a 'Debbie', isn't she?

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott
    Yeah, a typical Debbie...a typical muggins Debbie to be precise.

    regarding the Pizer research, I seem to think Chris Philips may have been the first person to post detailed research on him back in his 2007posts? That's as far back a mention as I could get in the archives using google anyway.

    http://forum.casebook.org/archive/index.php/t-1079.html

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  • Tom_Wescott
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    Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
    Speaking of Leather Apron, I hope mention was made of a possible connection to the Ripper in Lynn Cates' Issenschmid theory. I also had some musings as well, but Lynn's are better.

    D'Onston would make an awful Leather Apron.
    Lynn's Isenschmid theory is brilliant. I don't think it's the answer, but it's still brilliant. Maybe I just don't want it to be the answer.

    Cates' name is not mentioned in the e-book (I'd already one a word search) and under 'references an further reading' Mike includes the likes of Prince Jack...actually, he includes damn near every Ripper book ever written ( making it a very valuable list for the Ripper newbie) but he does not mention any of the very few important works on Leather Apron that have been published to date, such as the essays by Paul Begg, Simon Wood, and Lynn Cates. I would think these would be the most obvious 'further reading' for those interested in the subject of Leather Apron. I know they formed the backbone for a chunk of the research in my book, which attempts to bring the Leather Apron story up to speed in one section.

    What I think will be most valuable in Mike's e-book are the articles that he's uncovered in Hull that might include stuff we haven't read before. Indeed, his 'Newspapers from Hull' might end becoming must-haves for the serious researcher. That remains to be seen as I haven't yet downloaded them or heard feedback.

    Some of what I'm saying might seem like rude nitpicking, but that's not it at all. I just think the work of modern researchers, when possible, should be attributed in a work. I think I paid more attention to that in my book than I did providing contemporary sources, which was probably my major fault. But if I had to choose between the two, I think I made the right choice, because none of our works would even be possible (or at least wouldn't be near as good), without the truly great researchers out there that us lesser beings depend on.

    Mike was totally screwed over by Spiro in this regard so should be more sensitive than most. I remember how pissed Howard was over that, and rightly so. Perhaps that's why I was so surprised in his Marriottish approach to attribution and spelling the names of people he talks to every day (Marriott calls me 'Westcott' in his book in spite of the fact that my last name appears TWICE in each of my zillion posts...not to mention in the e-mails I send to him where I apparently disavow Le Grand as a suspect). Hopefully it's something Mike will correct in future editions or at least in his e-books that haven't come out yet.

    Moral of the story? If you're in the business of selling eggs, don't piss off the chickens.

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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  • Scott Nelson
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    Speaking of Leather Apron, I hope mention was made of a possible connection to the Ripper in Lynn Cates' Issenschmid theory. I also had some musings as well, but Lynn's are better.

    D'Onston would make an awful Leather Apron.

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  • Tom_Wescott
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    Glad to hear it, How. Again, I was just going of the Leather Apron e-book. But there's not a thread for that one.

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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  • Howard Brown
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    But I'm in good company since the three people who've published D'Onston books to date (Harris, Edwards) aren't mentioned either, nor are Richard W-E and SPE.

    Tom...all of those folks are mentioned...and the black magic book is mentioned along with the author's name.

    The 1887 article I located Under Five Flags ( Debra Arif was instrumental in my locating it....) isn't mentioned...nor is Jarrett Kobek's Crowley's Ripper

    Under Five Flags : http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread....ighlight=flags

    Crowley's Ripper : http://kobek.com/crowleyripper.pdf

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  • Tom_Wescott
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    Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
    Well, why can't you spell your first name like all the other Debbies do?
    She is just such a 'Debbie', isn't she?

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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  • Tom_Wescott
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    Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
    Plus....going back into the book :

    Adam Wood, Chris George, Jefferey Bloomfield, Chris Scott, Jon Rees, Deborah Arif, Neil Bell, Robert Clack, Philip Hutchinson, Stan Reid, Linda McAuliffe Roderick, Dan and Lynn Hollifield , David Gates, Suzi Hanney, Neil Sheldon, Robert J McLaughlin, Jeff Leahy, Alex Chisholm, Andrew Firth, Andrew Spallek, Bob Hinton, Caroline Morris, Christopher Jones, David Knott, Deborah McDonald, Richard Jones, Brian L. Porter, Paul Begg, Jenni Sheldon, and Steve Jessop.


    Mike didn't put Dan and Lynn's last name in the credits....I forgot to tell him.
    I guess he doesn't discuss the Ripper letters then, or else of course he'd reference my essay...one of the few D'Onston essays out there. But I'm in good company since the three people who've published D'Onston books to date (Harris, Edwards, Dimoblablah) aren't mentioned either, nor are Richard W-E and SPE. Steve Jessop (sic Jessup) hasn't published a word on the Ripper, so I'm guessing this is an 'Acknowledgements' section and not a reference section that you've posted. In that case, I wouldn't expect to be mentioned, although had Mike reached out to ask if I had anything to contribute from my olden days as a D'Onstonite I gladly would have done what I could.

    Who's Neil Sheldon?

    I was just asking about the D'Onston book because I have the Leather Apron e-book and I haven't noticed any attributions of research, such as Pete Howard and Debs discovering the first ever Leather Apron press mention (an important find that rightly appears in Mike's book) or all the family history of Pizer that Chris Scott provided years ago that Mike seems to say he found. Perhaps it's just because of the screwy Kindle layout, which if so I totally understand.

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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  • Tom_Wescott
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    Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
    Who's Deborah Arif and Ariff in the leather apron book?
    Hey, be grateful you got credited at all.

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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  • Scott Nelson
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    Well, why can't you spell your first name like all the other Debbies do?

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  • Debra Arif
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    Who's Deborah Arif and Ariff in the leather apron book?

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