Who Was Jack The Ripper ? (H Division, 2019)

[Edward Stow]

Gary
I don't recall ever saying, suggesting or hinting that Old Ma Lechmere (/Cross/Fosdyke) was any sort of knacker. I've always suggested she was a Cat's meat wholesaler - a suggestion backed up by the extant records.
I can't remember but I probably said as much in the Lechmere chapter. I will refresh my memory when I get hold of a copy of this much talked about book, over a plate of the finest fish and chips one can find in the East... you will have to come along and get your book signed Gary!

P.S. I shall also look out for the mysterious reference to the police not turning up in their work clothes.

[Gary Barnett]

Gary
I don't recall ever saying, suggesting or hinting that Old Ma Lechmere (/Cross/Fosdyke) was any sort of knacker. I've always suggested she was a Cat's meat wholesaler - a suggestion backed up by the extant records.
I can't remember but I probably said as much in the Lechmere chapter. I will refresh my memory when I get hold of a copy of this much talked about book, over a plate of the finest fish and chips one can find in the East... you will have to come along and get your book signed Gary!

P.S. I shall also look out for the mysterious reference to the police not turning up in their work clothes.

You ask about Ma, ‘Did her premises contain the tools of her trade and the means to dismember a body?’

Old ladies who ran cat’s meat shops weren’t required to dismember horse carcasses. That was taken care of by the professionals - the knackers - which meant HB in London. By suggesting she possessed the tools for dismembering carcasses, you have elevated her to the level of a knacker.

Perhaps I can drop my book off at our usual rendezvous point and you can get it signed by Keith Stride for me.

I’m looking at the Robert Mann chapter at the moment, which is pretty much a spoof of the whole suspect genre. As usual, though, I’m less interested in him as a suspect than I am in his surroundings. It was only while I was reading it that it dawned on me that Mann may have handled my great grandfather’s body. He died in the Baker’s Row infirmary in April, 1890.

[Gary Barnett]

I think you may have said that CAL was the only witness to turn up in his work clothes? You possibly missed out the word civilian?

[Rob Clack]

This was posted on the casebook website:

“But then certain events occurred over the past few weeks concerning the blatant plagiarism of the works of two of our best researchers and writers- John Bennett and Paul Begg. While the reactions of those who commented were for the most part normal i.e shocked and stupefied that such a thing as theft from these two prominent men could be contemplated by an author of a Ripper book-with no apparent thought given to the fact that he would be quickly caught, the reactions of a small handful of others were concerning. A couple of lesser prominent individuals- but still well known- seemed to want to minimize what was done. They said it essentially wasn’t a big deal. That the matter should be handled privately (I assume with an exchange of money) and all can be resolved. That the text that was stolen wasn’t important enough to merit attention. That the person who exposed the plagiarism must have a grudge. That we should question his motives. Look into what he’s up to.”

I take it I am one of the ‘lesser prominent individuals’ which doesn’t bother me in the slightest, probably because it came from someone who hasn’t made any notable contribution to Ripperology.

Anyway, my point was that it should be taken privately because it not only affects the authors in questions but the publishers to and should be dealt with by those involved. Effectively it is no one else’s business.
And while I am here. Nobody seems to be bothered by some of the illustrations being used without permission of the owner. That to me is just as bad as plagiarism. Why is that?

Speaking of photographs being used without permission. Two of my photographs (and probably two illustrations) appeared in ‘CSI Whitechapel’ without my permission or credit. They were credited to one of the authors. Which you might think odd but then the book had a photo budget which I found out, but not from the authors but a third party. I was paid for one of my photographs (there is no doubt it was mine). So, you can draw your own conclusions. I have.

Howard, if you want to delete this post it’s not an issue.

[Howard Brown]

Howard, if you want to delete this post it’s not an issue.
-R.Clack

No, Rob...its fine.

[Rob Clack]

Howard, if you want to delete this post it’s not an issue.
-R.Clack

No, Rob...its fine.

Thank you How, don't want to cause any issues for You.

Rob

[Gary Barnett]

This was posted on the casebook website:

“But then certain events occurred over the past few weeks concerning the blatant plagiarism of the works of two of our best researchers and writers- John Bennett and Paul Begg. While the reactions of those who commented were for the most part normal i.e shocked and stupefied that such a thing as theft from these two prominent men could be contemplated by an author of a Ripper book-with no apparent thought given to the fact that he would be quickly caught, the reactions of a small handful of others were concerning. A couple of lesser prominent individuals- but still well known- seemed to want to minimize what was done. They said it essentially wasn’t a big deal. That the matter should be handled privately (I assume with an exchange of money) and all can be resolved. That the text that was stolen wasn’t important enough to merit attention. That the person who exposed the plagiarism must have a grudge. That we should question his motives. Look into what he’s up to.”

I take it I am one of the ‘lesser prominent individuals’ which doesn’t bother me in the slightest, probably because it came from someone who hasn’t made any notable contribution to Ripperology.

Anyway, my point was that it should be taken privately because it not only affects the authors in questions but the publishers to and should be dealt with by those involved. Effectively it is no one else’s business.
And while I am here. Nobody seems to be bothered by some of the illustrations being used without permission of the owner. That to me is just as bad as plagiarism. Why is that?

Speaking of photographs being used without permission. Two of my photographs (and probably two illustrations) appeared in ‘CSI Whitechapel’ without my permission or credit. They were credited to one of the authors. Which you might think odd but then the book had a photo budget which I found out, but not from the authors but a third party. I was paid for one of my photographs (there is no doubt it was mine). So, you can draw your own conclusions. I have.

Howard, if you want to delete this post it’s not an issue.

Rob, if I steal your watch and keep it, it’s just our business. If I steal your watch and sell it to Howard, it’s his business too, surely?

[Rob Clack]

Rob, if I steal your watch and keep it, it’s just our business. If I steal your watch and sell it to Howard, it’s his business too, surely?

I probably haven't made myself very clear.
I have no problem with the plagiarism being pointed out or points on it being discussed.
But how it should be resolved should be private and between those involved.
If Jonathan Menges says to me "I hear Gary Barnett stole your watch and sold it to Howard" I would tell him to mind his own business. He would want to know if there were scratches on the inside.

[Edward Stow]

This seems to be a rare instance where I have been categorised alongside Robert - as a 'lesser prominent individual’.
Even though I haven't said any of the things that the 'lesser prominent individuals’ are accused of saying.
It reminds me of the article in the current issue of Ripperologist where a quotation was invented and attributed to 'Lechmerians'.

I also agree with Robert (another rarity) about the similarity with the misuse of photographs.
Which reminds me that some of Robert's snaps adorn the walls of Happy Day's fish and chip shop. But he gave me a CD with those pictures for that express purpose before anyone accuses me of double standards.

All these issues are muddied by the internal politics and hypocrisy which is inherent within Ripperology.
That is one of the elephant's in the room.

[Edward Stow]

Gary...
Yes - fairly obviously - I meant civilian witnesses.

You can of course drop off your copy at the usual place (which sounds suitably mysterious) for signing by the abominable Mr Stride... whosoever he (or she) may be. Perhaps even a non binary?
That will give me a chance of reading it... if you aren't in Dorset of course.

Apparently I asked:
'Did her premises contain the tools of her trade and the means to dismember a body?’
Her trade was a cat's meat wholesaler. Not a knacker. You have knackers on the brain!
But i know from her great great grandson - who worked with her grandson (the son of Charles Allen Lechmere) that they used to chop up big sides of horse meat in preparation for selling it.
Those are the tools of her trade that would have been useful - potentially - as a means to dismember a body.

[Paul]

This was posted on the casebook website:

“But then certain events occurred over the past few weeks concerning the blatant plagiarism of the works of two of our best researchers and writers- John Bennett and Paul Begg. While the reactions of those who commented were for the most part normal i.e shocked and stupefied that such a thing as theft from these two prominent men could be contemplated by an author of a Ripper book-with no apparent thought given to the fact that he would be quickly caught, the reactions of a small handful of others were concerning. A couple of lesser prominent individuals- but still well known- seemed to want to minimize what was done. They said it essentially wasn’t a big deal. That the matter should be handled privately (I assume with an exchange of money) and all can be resolved. That the text that was stolen wasn’t important enough to merit attention. That the person who exposed the plagiarism must have a grudge. That we should question his motives. Look into what he’s up to.”

I take it I am one of the ‘lesser prominent individuals’ which doesn’t bother me in the slightest, probably because it came from someone who hasn’t made any notable contribution to Ripperology.

Anyway, my point was that it should be taken privately because it not only affects the authors in questions but the publishers to and should be dealt with by those involved. Effectively it is no one else’s business.
And while I am here. Nobody seems to be bothered by some of the illustrations being used without permission of the owner. That to me is just as bad as plagiarism. Why is that?

Speaking of photographs being used without permission. Two of my photographs (and probably two illustrations) appeared in ‘CSI Whitechapel’ without my permission or credit. They were credited to one of the authors. Which you might think odd but then the book had a photo budget which I found out, but not from the authors but a third party. I was paid for one of my photographs (there is no doubt it was mine). So, you can draw your own conclusions. I have.

Howard, if you want to delete this post it’s not an issue.

Which photographs of yours were used in CSI Whitechapel, Rob? Why were you only paid for one? Do you know if the use of your photos was related to the budget? To which author were your illustrations credited? Did you receive an explanation? What conclusion did you draw?

[Paul]

I think the misuse of your illustrations in Who Was Jack the Ripper? is as bad as the misuse of text, but perhaps the misuse of those illustrations wasn't as obvious to those who have been critical of the book as the misuse of text is?

[Gary Barnett]

Gary...
Yes - fairly obviously - I meant civilian witnesses.

You can of course drop off your copy at the usual place (which sounds suitably mysterious) for signing by the abominable Mr Stride... whosoever he (or she) may be. Perhaps even a non binary?
That will give me a chance of reading it... if you aren't in Dorset of course.

Apparently I asked:
'Did her premises contain the tools of her trade and the means to dismember a body?’
Her trade was a cat's meat wholesaler. Not a knacker. You have knackers on the brain!
But i know from her great great grandson - who worked with her grandson (the son of Charles Allen Lechmere) that they used to chop up big sides of horse meat in preparation for selling it.
Those are the tools of her trade that would have been useful - potentially - as a means to dismember a body.

Wholesaler? Where does that come from?

[Rob Clack]

This seems to be a rare instance where I have been categorised alongside Robert - as a 'lesser prominent individual’.
Even though I haven't said any of the things that the 'lesser prominent individuals’ are accused of saying.
It reminds me of the article in the current issue of Ripperologist where a quotation was invented and attributed to 'Lechmerians'.

I also agree with Robert (another rarity) about the similarity with the misuse of photographs.
Which reminds me that some of Robert's snaps adorn the walls of Happy Day's fish and chip shop. But he gave me a CD with those pictures for that express purpose before anyone accuses me of double standards.

All these issues are muddied by the internal politics and hypocrisy which is inherent within Ripperology.
That is one of the elephant's in the room.

Must be a Red-Letter day.

[Robert Linford]

So who's got Rob's watch now? Has Howard still got it? Is it still ticking?