Who Was Jack The Ripper ? (H Division, 2019)

[Rob Clack]

Which photographs of yours were used in CSI Whitechapel, Rob? Why were you only paid for one? Do you know if the use of your photos was related to the budget? To which author were your illustrations credited? Did you receive an explanation? What conclusion did you draw?

Page 84, Christ Church, Spitalfields.
Originally Posted on Casebook https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...373#post136373

Page 150, Corner of Church Passage and Duke Street
Originally posted on Casebook https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...9076#post79076

The two probable's Page 71 18 Thrawl Street and Page 204 8 Whites Row. Both appeared in The London of Jack the Ripper Then and Now. All four attributed to John Bennett.

The one I was paid for was a photograph I had taken of Durward Street in 1990 (page 59) so there in no question that I own the copyright. I did not know they were in the book until after it was published. I did not receive an explanation nor did I ask for one. At the time I was just annoyed but I like you and John so didn't pursue it. The conclusions I drew were not very good ones but with recent events and the continual use of my images (which can take a lot of time and money to track down) things have just come to a head.

[Rob Clack]

So who's got Rob's watch now? Has Howard still got it? Is it still ticking?

Russell Edwards is doing some dna tests on it as we speak

[Gary Barnett]

So who's got Rob's watch now? Has Howard still got it? Is it still ticking?

The bloody ticking drove me mad - but even worse was the little mouse’s hands going round and round...

[Debra Arif]

Debs
...and school kids don't go out after being nailed for nicking others' work and whoop it up as if its nothing.

Well, I think they probably do, that's kids for you! But I believe I have witnessed adults gloating about critics of their work paying for the book to enable them to do so. Not the book being discussed here.

[Robert Linford]

India has a solution :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-50110514

[Debra Arif]

India has a solution :


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-50110514

Is that the other option?

[Robert Linford]

No, very divisive - the rich kids would swank around in Waitrose boxes while the poor kids made do with Lidl.

[Edward Stow]

Wholesaler...
In trade directory alongside listing for Harrison Barber. Unless you think she was listed as a hawker of cat's meat alongside Harrison Barber.

[Gary Barnett]

Wholesaler...
In trade directory alongside listing for Harrison Barber. Unless you think she was listed as a hawker of cat's meat alongside Harrison Barber.

No, the list contains both wholesalers and retailers. Hawkers don’t operate from fixed premises, so wouldn’t advertise their businesses in trade directories.

[Paul]

Page 84, Christ Church, Spitalfields.
Originally Posted on Casebook https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...373#post136373

Page 150, Corner of Church Passage and Duke Street
Originally posted on Casebook https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...9076#post79076

The two probable's Page 71 18 Thrawl Street and Page 204 8 Whites Row. Both appeared in The London of Jack the Ripper Then and Now. All four attributed to John Bennett.

The one I was paid for was a photograph I had taken of Durward Street in 1990 (page 59) so there in no question that I own the copyright. I did not know they were in the book until after it was published. I did not receive an explanation nor did I ask for one. At the time I was just annoyed but I like you and John so didn't pursue it. The conclusions I drew were not very good ones but with recent events and the continual use of my images (which can take a lot of time and money to track down) things have just come to a head.

Thanks for the explanation. The misuse of images is justifiably a growing concern, especially as it seems to be generally thought that any image posted to the internet become copyright free. Philip Hutchinson had the devil's own job when it came to photographs to which he had clear ownership (as you know), and when specialist copyright lawyers get involved it's a nightmare. Digital cameras haven't helped (no negatives). By the time the image has been copied a few times, the copyright owner is probably the only person who knows who owns the copyright. The best course is not to use images unless you have cleared the copyright. I'm rarely involved in supplying images, so I don't recall the details of the budget for illustrations for CSI. I'd be surprised if John knew the illustrations were your copyright as I'm sure he, like myself, would have asked permission to use them, almost certainly in the expectation that you'd say yes. Baffled, but I totally agree that you need to protect your images from being misused.

[Rob Clack]

Thanks for the explanation. The misuse of images is justifiably a growing concern, especially as it seems to be generally thought that any image posted to the internet become copyright free. Philip Hutchinson had the devil's own job when it came to photographs to which he had clear ownership (as you know), and when specialist copyright lawyers get involved it's a nightmare. Digital cameras haven't helped (no negatives). By the time the image has been copied a few times, the copyright owner is probably the only person who knows who owns the copyright. The best course is not to use images unless you have cleared the copyright. I'm rarely involved in supplying images, so I don't recall the details of the budget for illustrations for CSI. I'd be surprised if John knew the illustrations were your copyright as I'm sure he, like myself, would have asked permission to use them, almost certainly in the expectation that you'd say yes. Baffled, but I totally agree that you need to protect your images from being misused.

The only place these images would have come from would have been Casebook. The Church Passage drawing I had only recently acquired (an original copy). If it was explained to me "The photo budget money has run out, do you mind if we use them?" then I would have been fine with just an acknowledgement.
This is where Ricky has shot himself in the foot. Some of the other images in 'Who was Jack the Ripper' book are quite poor quality, and I have far superior copies if he had just asked. And all I would have expected is a credit.

[Edward Stow]

Gary
Yes upscale retailers.

[Gary Barnett]

Gary
Yes upscale retailers.

Upscale?

In the sense that someone with cats meat shop was on a higher plane than a man with a barrow, perhaps. Still selling cats meat though: boiled and boned horseflesh. No need for any tools or skills to dismember carcasses.

[Gary Barnett]

Upscale?

In the sense that someone with cats meat shop was on a higher plane than a man with a barrow, perhaps. Still selling cats meat though: boiled and boned horseflesh. No need for any tools or skills to dismember carcasses.

And while we’re on the subject, at what point did Ma Lechmere get into that game? After Joe Forsdike died in 1889?

[Paul]

The only place these images would have come from would have been Casebook. The Church Passage drawing I had only recently acquired (an original copy). If it was explained to me "The photo budget money has run out, do you mind if we use them?" then I would have been fine with just an acknowledgement.
This is where Ricky has shot himself in the foot. Some of the other images in 'Who was Jack the Ripper' book are quite poor quality, and I have far superior copies if he had just asked. And all I would have expected is a credit.

I may have been wrong, but I would have expected you to be happy with an acknowledgement or a token payment (not that I would have minded in the least if you'd wanted an appropriate fee), which is why I don't understand why you weren't asked before your images were used. I can only assume it was an oversight of some kind, not deliberate intent.