Who Was Jack The Ripper ? (H Division, 2019)

[Gary Barnett]

Surely if Scott can solve this mystery it will guarantee his long overdue Lifetime Achievement Award.

Cometh the hour...

[Guest]

Are we witnessing the birth of Keithology?

I have a theory based largely on other people’s ideas.
Perhaps Pen & Sword would publish it?

JM

[Gary Barnett]

I have a theory based largely on other people’s ideas.
Perhaps Pen & Sword would publish it?

JM

That’s a bit of a ‘don’t tell them your name, Pike’ statement, Jon. (If that doesn’t resonate,🤔 ask Robert.)

In the unlikely event that my Fogarty theory is ever published, my debt to Tom will be gratefully acknowledged.

I know nothing about P&S, this will be the first of their publications I’ve bought. I’m particularly keen to see how Ed Stow is getting on with his Lechmere thing. As he mentioned the other day, I occasionally bump into him while he is standing up (no, not in the urinal in Romford market) and he has mentioned a few ideas he’s had about his suspect. Personally, I’m more interested in Ma Lechmere, who I hope features prominently in his article.

[Scott Nelson]

Surely if Scott can solve this mystery it will guarantee his long overdue Lifetime Achievement Award.

I would have settled for a complimentary copy of the book, but Rick Cobb probably wasn't going to send me one.

Reconsidering my impression of the Kosminski chapter, it wasn't bad. Elmarna could have written a summary of the Bucks Row murder, though.

[John Bennett]

Dear all


Last year I discovered that the Fandom Kray Twins Wiki had used huge sections of my book 'Krayology' for many of its entries. Some of them comprised of entire chapters, and even worse, they didn't bother to remove the footnote numbers in their text. Fandom were served with a breach of copyright notice by me and the material was removed, thankfully.


From what I am reading here, a similar thing has apparently happened with 'Keith Stride', though in a less sweeping way and in reverse. Material from the internet written by me a decade ago, regarding Joseph Barnett, has been copy-and-pasted into a published work.


Regardless of any possible argument that "what appears on the internet is fair game", and I have seen parts a number of my internet articles copied back into the web over the years, this is pretty unacceptable. It's lazy at the very least and at the worst, daylight robbery. The simple premise though is that a book published by an established publisher has material in it that is not the original work of the supposed author, period.


Getting a book written, accepted, edited to a publisher's satisfaction and eventually put on the market is not a quick or easy job. It's a bloody long process, with much to-ing and fro-ing, rewrites, checks and authorisations. That's my experience at least, dealing with publishers like Five Leaves, Penguin, Carlton, Andre Deutsch and Yale University Press, as well as working through an established agent through several of those projects. Copyright, often with images, and attribution of various material used, is a frequent issue that always has to be addressed.


I don't want to stymie this book, as there are many authors who did their own thing and wrote in good faith.


But here's the thing. If 'Keith Stride' is here on Forums, I assume under a nickname or whatever, or if anybody knows who he is (or perhaps is known to anyone involved in the 'Who Was Jack The Ripper?' book), maybe they can let me know, preferably via PM, what the situation is.


Why was this done, how did they think fobbing-off a publisher with somebody else's material was OK, and did they think nobody would notice?




And breathe.....
John B

[Gary Barnett]

That’s a bit of a ‘don’t tell them your name, Pike’ statement, Jon. (If that doesn’t resonate,�� ask Robert.)

In the unlikely event that my Fogarty theory is ever published, my debt to Tom will be gratefully acknowledged.

I know nothing about P&S, this will be the first of their publications I’ve bought. I’m particularly keen to see how Ed Stow is getting on with his Lechmere thing. As he mentioned the other day, I occasionally bump into him while he is standing up (no, not in the urinal in Romford market) and he has mentioned a few ideas he’s had about his suspect. Personally, I’m more interested in Ma Lechmere, who I hope features prominently in his article.

My copy arrived.

The Lechmere chapter is very short (8/9 pages) and there’s nothing much that’s new in it. I was surprised to see Stephen Maywood getting a mention as someone with ‘extensive criminal connections’. It’s also stated that MJK lived at 1, Breezer’s Hill. Maywood, it is suggested, may have been ‘the (her?) controlling pimp’.

My personal opinion is that MJK may not have lived in Breezer’s Hill at all, and if she did, it could have been any of the 4 houses there.

I was hoping for more about Ma Lechmere and the family’s likely connections to the horse slaughtering trade. Perhaps that’ll be in Ed’s book.

[Steve Stanley]

Dear all


Last year I discovered that the Fandom Kray Twins Wiki had used huge sections of my book 'Krayology' for many of its entries. Some of them comprised of entire chapters, and even worse, they didn't bother to remove the footnote numbers in their text. Fandom were served with a breach of copyright notice by me and the material was removed, thankfully.


From what I am reading here, a similar thing has apparently happened with 'Keith Stride', though in a less sweeping way and in reverse. Material from the internet written by me a decade ago, regarding Joseph Barnett, has been copy-and-pasted into a published work.


Regardless of any possible argument that "what appears on the internet is fair game", and I have seen parts a number of my internet articles copied back into the web over the years, this is pretty unacceptable. It's lazy at the very least and at the worst, daylight robbery. The simple premise though is that a book published by an established publisher has material in it that is not the original work of the supposed author, period.


Getting a book written, accepted, edited to a publisher's satisfaction and eventually put on the market is not a quick or easy job. It's a bloody long process, with much to-ing and fro-ing, rewrites, checks and authorisations. That's my experience at least, dealing with publishers like Five Leaves, Penguin, Carlton, Andre Deutsch and Yale University Press, as well as working through an established agent through several of those projects. Copyright, often with images, and attribution of various material used, is a frequent issue that always has to be addressed.


I don't want to stymie this book, as there are many authors who did their own thing and wrote in good faith.


But here's the thing. If 'Keith Stride' is here on Forums, I assume under a nickname or whatever, or if anybody knows who he is (or perhaps is known to anyone involved in the 'Who Was Jack The Ripper?' book), maybe they can let me know, preferably via PM, what the situation is.


Why was this done, how did they think fobbing-off a publisher with somebody else's material was OK, and did they think nobody would notice?




And breathe.....
John B

Well.....I assume he's known to whoever decided he was worth putting in the book.....Or at least more details than we have about the 'Man from Nowhere' at the moment?

[Gary Barnett]

I tried looking on the crimeclubuk website but it seems to have been taken down.

[Gary Barnett]

I see Ed Stow is still arguing that the house in which the Cross family were living at the time of the 1861 census was demolished and replaced by the row of railway arches under one of which the Pinchin Street torso was discovered.

[Scott Nelson]

Also notice how all roads lead to Doveton Street?

[Gary Barnett]

Also notice how all roads lead to Doveton Street?

Not with you, Scott.

[Gary Barnett]

Good god!!

[Sam Flynn]

Good god!!

Good god!


(See what I did there?)

[Gary Barnett]

Good god!


(See what I did there?)

I do. I used an additional, unnecessary exclamation mark to protect my copyright and you were sharp enough to see through my ruse.

[Edward Stow]

I've only just noticed this thread.

To unmask the elusive Mr Stride perhaps the curious or agitated should attend that event at Happy Days Fish and Chip emporium and cop for a portion!

As for my humble chapter - it was written some time ago. So long ago indeed that Gary seems to have forgotten that I sent it to him for his perusal.

Here is his true assessment of my chapter (which I cut and pasted )...

I have to say, that's a very neat little summary of the case against Lechmere.