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  • #31
    Hi ho

    I have a question for David.

    If we assume that Walter did not finsih writing until the end of 1888 (theoretically possible).....why would a man who has already documented his involvement in crimes that many in the LVP would have viewed as worse than whore killing (such as buggery) and could have gotten him a ... stiff...sentence..not include his crowning glory of sexual murder (if we accept Davids notion that the crimes were sex related)? Seems like an odd omission from a text detailing pretty much everything else?

    If we assume Walter was finished writing before 1888, why would a nearly 70 year old man, who had spent his life debauching himself imaginatively and then used a lot of time and energy writing his magnum opus, suddenly say "Ooooh, debauchery - check, rape - check, virgin deflowering - check, writing th ebiggest autobiography ever - check: think I'll try murder and mutilation now"

    It just doesnt make much sense. He can hardly have been full of beans after the debauchery and writing bits....so why start afresh with all the killing?

    Plus a man who is so caught up in himself as to documenting his every conquest and getting it published....does not seem like a man who wouldnt want his Ripper activities included as the best part.

    At any rate, the killer for Walter is that he was in the twilight of his years.

    And I cannot see how it is possible for him to have debauched himself without having caught a pox or two along the way. Not great for th elong term health.

    p

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    • #32
      Originally posted by David Monaghan View Post
      We'd used the term "occultist" based on te pretty detailed knowldge he showed of the subject from the "one who knows" letters to STead's Pall Mall Gazette.
      Hi David, thanks for the reply.

      My wife saw me reading the book last night and looked at me funny.

      I have read a fair few pages now, and must say, your knowledge of 19th century pornography is amazing. Using the same method of calling Stephenson an occultist because of his knowledge on occult matters, even though it has been proven to be wrong, would that make you a porn star?

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      • #33
        Also, Mike, isn't David Monaghan the name of the bloke that plays Pee Wee in the Porky's movies?
        ...One and the same?

        Cheers,
        Adam.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Adam Went View Post
          Also, Mike, isn't David Monaghan the name of the bloke that plays Pee Wee in the Porky's movies?
          ...One and the same?

          Cheers,
          Adam.
          Porky's! That's a blast from the past. Showing my knowledge for early 80's softcore comedy adventures, Pee Wee was played by Dan Monaghan.

          http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0597517/

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          • #35
            Mike:

            Thanks for that....Dan Monahan, Dave Monaghan.....so close!!
            I just thought it would have been quite ironic that the guy who played Pee Wee would go on to become the guy to publish a serious historical work...

            Cheers,
            Adam.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Mike Covell View Post

              I rarely judge a book by it's cover, apart from Andrew Cook's, but who decided a woman with her tats out, and a man in toff's costume would make a great cover?
              My (U.S.) hardcover copy arrived yesterday. Is our cover different than the U.K. version ? I didn't even notice the "tats" until I just now read your post, Mike.

              My initial impression is that it is not our garden variety "knocked out with little research" Ripper book, but a serious tome. And while there are plenty of quotes from MSL, they are not there for shock value but to draw parallels with the Ripper crimes.

              I was surprised to see that Walter believed he knew one of the Torso victims.

              Dave, I wonder if you gave any thought to Walter being Torso Dude instead of JtR ?

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              • #37
                As far as I am aware, there are two covers, the black and white edition, minus tats, and the sepia, with tats. Thankfully, the scans are fairly small, and not full on, otherwise it would have been like Playboy!
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                • #38
                  I think "tats" are something else.....as in "prison tats" (tattoos). Or "Thats a skanky tat you got yourself".

                  Are we not talking about "tits" here? As in Porkys.

                  WE must really try and standardise the slang round here as not all of us can keep up...


                  p

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                  • #39
                    Sorry Folks...

                    Hi Ho Mr P,

                    Yes, Boobs, Puppies, Tits, Fun bags, Jack n Jill, Breasts, Bristols, Abbott and Costello, airbags, Blouse Brothers, B1 and B2, babaloos, baby feeders, badoinkies, balloons, baloobas, bazookas, bazooms, bee-stings, Ben and Jerry, Bert and Ernie, bijongas, blinkers, bombs, Bonnie and Clyde, boobs, boobies, boobsters, bosoms, bottles, boulders, bumpers, busts, cans,
                    cantaloupes, cha-chas, chi-chis, chesticles, chumbawumbas, coconuts,
                    cupcakes, dairy pillows, Danny DeVitos, devil's dumplings, dinglebobbers,
                    dumplings, Ernest and Julio, flapdoodles, Fred and Ethel, funbags,
                    gazongas, gobstoppers, God's milk bottles, Godzillas, goombas, headlamps, headlights, head rests, high beams, honkers, hood ornaments, hooters,
                    hubcaps, jugs, kawangas, knockers, Lewinskis, Lilo and Stitch, magambos, Mahatmas, mammaries, mau maus, melons, milk bombs, milk factories,
                    milk jugs, milk wagons, milkmakers, milkshakes, mobutus, moo moos,
                    Mork and Mindy, mounds, muffins, Mulligans, Murphys, neeners, norks, nose warmers, num-nums, pair, palookas, pillows,puppies, rack, rib bumpers, shabba-dos, shirt puppies, speed bumps, sweater cows, Tats, tatas, the girls, the twins, Thelma and Louise, tits, titties, torpedoes, Tweedledee and Tweedledum, tweeters, tweakers, wahwahs, windshield wipers, Winnebagos, wop bop-a loo-bops, yazoos, ying-yangs, zoomazooms.

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                    • #40
                      Thanks very much MIke!

                      I will alphabetise these and and them to my useful phrase book.

                      No doubt they will come in very handy on my next trip to Blightly where my encyclopedic knowledge of mammary slang will astond the locals.

                      p

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                      • #41
                        Glad to be of service.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Mike Covell View Post
                          As far as I am aware, there are two covers, the black and white edition, minus tats, and the sepia, with tats. Thankfully, the scans are fairly small, and not full on, otherwise it would have been like Playboy!

                          The second cover appears to be a strange homage to Manets Olympia?

                          Pirate

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                          • #43
                            It reminds me of this version of the Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper...
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                            • #44
                              No I meant the other book, but yes that one is very similar to the Mammouth..

                              Is there actually any evidence to suggest that Walter is a real person?

                              Or is he possibly a work of fantasy? Apparently he is not Asbbee?

                              Perhaps it was the same author as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

                              " see what a jolly new Bonnet I've got" is probably the most tenuous connection I've ever heard. Perhaps we should try Lewis Carol again.

                              Pirate

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                              • #45
                                I received mine in the mail yesterday (Thanks to Mr. Monahan).
                                I'm off to read it tonight.
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