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How far would it have been from where Barbara was last seen to Turner's house? I am curious how he could have, would have transported his victim(s). How far from where Johnny was last seen to Turner's residence?
Turner was a weaver? Johnny's sister Ruth had worked at a mill in the mornings before school. Connexion?
According to the author on this podcast, Ruth had quit working in the mill because of the bad things that happened to children in the newspapers, which was information from Barrett. I hope I wrote that understandably. She considered that to be a strange statement by Barrett but what if there was something to it?
How did the press handle crimes against children in those days? Are there other reports from the area about such crimes prior to Johhny's murder? I would suppose if a family was concerned it would pertain to more local stories than what might be happening in London or Wales.
If there was concern about these things, and considering Johnny's murder in 1888, why in the world did Barbara's parents allow their five year old daughter to run around without some supervision?
Turner had to be guilty of Barbara's murder. His own statement that a man from the quarry dropped the body off at his home and he didn't know what to do with it, rather admits his guilt, not to mention the rest of it. That said, he had a very twisted mind and must have started doing things to children prior to this.
Johhny's clothes were off when he was stabbed. Had Turner--or someone else--been grooming children to comply with perversion? Johnny had eaten a current bun just before being killed, a treat in return for disrobing? Did Johnny take off his own clothes then object loudly and did that lead to his demise?
Considering the amount of street children in Victorian times, why would Turner or any other such criminal choose children that were loved, cared for and would be missed? In the case of Barbara, was he trying to harm her whole family? We can ponder also why Johnny's body ended up 50 meters from his home. Unless one accepts the idea of the crime taking place in the stable, the remains must have been transported. Transporting freight, boxes, bags to a stable would not necessarily be suspicious IMO. I am sure there were ample places to dispose of bodies in the area, like rivers, mill ponds, quarries and probably a number of things I can't imagine.
The killer(s) of both Johnny and Barbara wanted to create outrage and horror; he/they wanted attention of the worst kind.
Turner was a weaver? Johnny's sister Ruth had worked at a mill in the mornings before school. Connexion?
According to the author on this podcast, Ruth had quit working in the mill because of the bad things that happened to children in the newspapers, which was information from Barrett. I hope I wrote that understandably. She considered that to be a strange statement by Barrett but what if there was something to it?
How did the press handle crimes against children in those days? Are there other reports from the area about such crimes prior to Johhny's murder? I would suppose if a family was concerned it would pertain to more local stories than what might be happening in London or Wales.
If there was concern about these things, and considering Johnny's murder in 1888, why in the world did Barbara's parents allow their five year old daughter to run around without some supervision?
Turner had to be guilty of Barbara's murder. His own statement that a man from the quarry dropped the body off at his home and he didn't know what to do with it, rather admits his guilt, not to mention the rest of it. That said, he had a very twisted mind and must have started doing things to children prior to this.
Johhny's clothes were off when he was stabbed. Had Turner--or someone else--been grooming children to comply with perversion? Johnny had eaten a current bun just before being killed, a treat in return for disrobing? Did Johnny take off his own clothes then object loudly and did that lead to his demise?
Considering the amount of street children in Victorian times, why would Turner or any other such criminal choose children that were loved, cared for and would be missed? In the case of Barbara, was he trying to harm her whole family? We can ponder also why Johnny's body ended up 50 meters from his home. Unless one accepts the idea of the crime taking place in the stable, the remains must have been transported. Transporting freight, boxes, bags to a stable would not necessarily be suspicious IMO. I am sure there were ample places to dispose of bodies in the area, like rivers, mill ponds, quarries and probably a number of things I can't imagine.
The killer(s) of both Johnny and Barbara wanted to create outrage and horror; he/they wanted attention of the worst kind.
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