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    Aaron Kosminski
    Main article: Aaron Kosminski
    Aaron Kosminski (born Aron Mordke Kozminski; 11 September 1865 – 24 March 1919) was a Polish Jew who was admitted to Colney Hatch Lunatic Asylum in 1891.[19] "Kosminski" (without a forename) was named as a suspect by Melville Macnaghten in his 1894 memorandum[20] and by former Chief Inspector Donald Swanson in handwritten comments in the margin of his copy of Assistant Commissioner Sir Robert Anderson's memoirs.[21] Anderson wrote that a Polish Jew had been identified as the Ripper but that no prosecution was possible because the witness was also Jewish and refused to testify against a fellow Jew.[22] Some authors are skeptical of this, while others use it in their theories.[23] In his memorandum, Macnaghten stated that no one was ever identified as the Ripper, which directly contradicts Anderson's recollection.[24] Kosminski lived in Whitechapel;[25] however, he was largely harmless in the asylum. His insanity took the form of auditory hallucinations, a paranoid fear of being fed by other people, and a refusal to wash or bathe.[26] In his book, The Cases That Haunt Us, former FBI profiler John Douglas states that a paranoid individual such as Kosminski would likely have openly boasted of the murders while incarcerated had he been the killer, but there is no record that he ever did so.[27]

    Hi Guys

    I was just trawling through stuff as you do a came across this entry on JtR Suspects which clearly has incorrect information.

    I'm not certain who John Douglas is ? but he clearly doesnt know anything about Aaron Kosminski or he would know that no records exist on what Aaron did or did not say after his incarceration in the Asylum.

    Thus the above entry is bollocks. I understand that you can get stuff changed on Wiki if it is incorrect

    Has anyone ever done this or know how you complain about incorrect information?

    Yours Jeff

  • #2
    Hi Jeff

    John Douglas is a former FBI profiler. He was part of the panel that profiled the Ripper in 1988 in a TV show hosted by Peter Ustinov. He has authored or co-authored a number of books on serial killers. In saying that the Ripper would have boasted about his kills if incarcerated, Douglas was only talking about what some serial killers have done once imprisoned. The downside of the 1988 FBI profile of the killer is that he was given the name of Kosminski, so it's not as if he determined that Kos was the killer independently or scientifically. I read that Wiki entry and thought it was otherwise true to what we know about Kosminski's candidacy.

    Best regards

    Chris
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    • #3
      Jeff:
      I believe Mr. Douglas, upon learning of David Cohen, opted for him as a more likely candidate to be the Ripper.

      I think the former editor of Ripper Notes is the editor of Wikipedia's Ripper section. I had a hell of a time...might still go back one day...trying to correct the D'Onston entry since we know he isn't in the running anymore. Must have been the ghost of Melvin Harris that removed my re-editing...or Dan himself.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
        Jeff:
        I believe Mr. Douglas, upon learning of David Cohen, opted for him as a more likely candidate to be the Ripper.

        I think the former editor of Ripper Notes is the editor of Wikipedia's Ripper section. I had a hell of a time...might still go back one day...trying to correct the D'Onston entry since we know he isn't in the running anymore. Must have been the ghost of Melvin Harris that removed my re-editing...or Dan himself.
        Hi Howard

        The editing history of any Wikipedia entry, as for the one for Aaron Kosminski, shows multiple editors, so it probably isn't just you know who. Of course, I have no doubt that some Wiki editors are active under different identities.

        All the best

        Chris
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
          Hi Jeff

          John Douglas is a former FBI profiler. He was part of the panel that profiled the Ripper in 1988 in a TV show hosted by Peter Ustinov. He has authored or co-authored a number of books on serial killers. In saying that the Ripper would have boasted about his kills if incarcerated, Douglas was only talking about what some serial killers have done once imprisoned. The downside of the 1988 FBI profile of the killer is that he was given the name of Kosminski, so it's not as if he determined that Kos was the killer independently or scientifically. I read that Wiki entry and thought it was otherwise true to what we know about Kosminski's candidacy.

          Best regards

          Chris
          Hi Chris

          We simply don't know what if anything Aaron Kosminski said once in the asylum. Or indeed what language he would have communicated in had he done so?

          For all we actually know Aaron Kosminski spent every day of his imprisonment claiming that he killed nine woman and he was in fact Jack the Ripper. We dont know because there are no records

          So i find this claim by John Douglas not only surprising but at best completely and factually incorrect.

          Its this type of myth that perminates into the ripper mythology because people read and believe Wiki is correct.

          Who ever made it or why it requires correcting

          But many thanks for both your comments.. Wiki is not reliable. There should be an easier despute button to press

          Yours Jeff

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          • #6
            Hi Jeff

            The Kosminski article that I am looking at in Wikipedia here doesn't appear to match the one that you quoted from. But, in any case, Douglas is talking more about a criminal type more than the specific case of Aaron Kosminski, and we can only take such utterances for what they are worth. Given that modern-day profiling is mostly based on observation of later 20th century U.S. white serial killers we might wonder what such ideas have to do with an Eastern European Jew in Whitechapel in 1888 and thereafter in a British asylum.

            Best regards

            Chris
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            • #7
              framing

              Hello Chris.

              "Given that modern-day profiling is mostly based on observation of later 20th century U.S. white serial killers we might wonder what such ideas have to do with an Eastern European Jew in Whitechapel in 1888 and thereafter in a British asylum."

              This is suitable for framing.

              Cheers.
              LC

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              • #8
                Inspiration for a thread....thanks CG & LC.
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                • #9
                  For all we actually know Aaron Kosminski spent every day of his imprisonment claiming that he killed nine woman and he was in fact Jack the Ripper. We dont know because there are no records
                  Jeff Leahy


                  We all ought to know had that guy mouthed off about committing murders and confessing to someone within the facility, we'd have heard about it from the grapevine.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
                    For all we actually know Aaron Kosminski spent every day of his imprisonment claiming that he killed nine woman and he was in fact Jack the Ripper. We dont know because there are no records
                    Jeff Leahy


                    We all ought to know had that guy mouthed off about committing murders and confessing to someone within the facility, we'd have heard about it from the grapevine.
                    Hi Jeff and Howard

                    Actually, I really think that part of the problem with this case is that nobody mouthed off. Whatever suspects were incarcerated, in prisons or asylums, didn't talk. The theorists who advocate for such suspects are left with information other than whatever these guys might have said after they were arrested or put away. Erstwhile Jack the Ripper suspects such as Cream, Deeming, and Chapman didn't admit to the crimes for which they were arrested, let alone air off about being the Ripper, except maybe the legend that Cream cried out as he was being hanged, "I am Ja--!"

                    Best regards

                    Chris
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                    Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
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                    • #11
                      I have it on very good authority, CG, that Albert DeSalvo, despite boasting of being the Boston Strangler, was considered to be nothing more than a notoriety seeker by his fellow inmates at Walpole ( Now Cedar Junction Prison )...as an example of what might have occurred had some phony tried to confess to crimes that they didn't, but wished, they had.
                      FWIW, I agree with you on the mysterious absence of claims or confessions by men in prisons...although the streets were full of these fellows trying to make a momentary name for themselves.
                      Even this Druitt didn't 'fess up to anything other than a case of severe mental depression...for an example of someone with the opportunity to let it all hang out.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post

                        I think the former editor of Ripper Notes is the editor of Wikipedia's Ripper section. I had a hell of a time...might still go back one day...trying to correct the D'Onston entry since we know he isn't in the running anymore. Must have been the ghost of Melvin Harris that removed my re-editing...or Dan himself.
                        There's a reason we have a separate and edited Wiki hosted by Casebook....not to be confused with their message boards nor the free range Wiki. All - well, almost all lol- are welcome to pitch in with additions or corrections. Does not matter if one is banned elsewhere. You just have to maintain an editorially neutral tone if you want to introduce something new.

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