Ripperologist 148: February 2016

[Big Jon]

You are both to be commended on another very thorough investigation of this depressing business.

Thanks Chris.

[Lynn Cates]

Debs

Hello Scott. Here you go.

Cheers.
LC

[Lynn Cates]

no

Hello Tom.

Trevor and Jon exposed? No thanks. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Rick Cobb]

Just a reminder that if you enjoyed the Rivals of the Ripper article, you can see more of Jan Bondeson at this years London conference .

More details at :

Www.crimeconference.com

Only a few tickets remain

[Robert Linford]

Has Debs been fooling us all along?

[Robert Linford]

Hi Tom

Re How's idea of Maxwell mistaking Prater for Kelly :

I don't know if the witnesses at the inquest sat in court the whole while, or whether they were called from a waiting room. If they were in court, surely Prater would have corrected what Maxwell said? If they waited in a side room, surely the women would have chatted about Kelly, and Maxwell's error would have emerged? I suppose it's possible that they sat in the room and Maxwell said nothing, but it seems unlikely.

[Chris G.]

Hi Tom

Re How's idea of Maxwell mistaking Prater for Kelly :

I don't know if the witnesses at the inquest sat in court the whole while, or whether they were called from a waiting room. If they were in court, surely Prater would have corrected what Maxwell said? If they waited in a side room, surely the women would have chatted about Kelly, and Maxwell's error would have emerged? I suppose it's possible that they sat in the room and Maxwell said nothing, but it seems unlikely.

Well also they were all individuals in the same small, packed neighborhood and one would suspect that there was chatter or gossip among themselves about what was seen and heard. Still, though, people can be very strong headed about what they think they had witnessed and some were probably determined to give that testimony even if it was contradicted by others.

Best regards

Chris

[Howard Brown]

John Frizzell

John just joined us....he wrote the fine article on Joseph Vacher ( The French Ripper). He's an historian...

Vacher was one of the most prominent 'other' Rippers...if not the most, after the original....up until Sutcliffe ( Yorkshire Ripper) & Chikatilo ( Rostov Ripper) appeared.

[Chris G.]

John just joined us....he wrote the fine article on Joseph Vacher ( The French Ripper). He's an historian...

Vacher was one of the most prominent 'other' Rippers...if not the most, after the original....up until Sutcliffe ( Yorkshire Ripper) & Chikatilo ( Rostov Ripper) appeared.

Excellent to hear! Thanks, Howard!

Chris

[Anna Morris]

Debra's article is excellent! All I have read so far. Really good points.

I wonder if the women in Millers Court or the general area used each other's names for some reason or other? They apparently shared clothing. A neighbor knocked on MJK's door early in the morning to borrow a shawl. There is also an article somewhere that mentions Mary having breakfast in her room with a couple other women and the door wide open the morning of the eighth. Maybe they were in and out and together,
and others outside the circle weren't real sure who was who.

[Debra Arif]

Debra's article is excellent! All I have read so far. Really good points.

I wonder if the women in Millers Court or the general area used each other's names for some reason or other? They apparently shared clothing. A neighbor knocked on MJK's door early in the morning to borrow a shawl. There is also an article somewhere that mentions Mary having breakfast in her room with a couple other women and the door wide open the morning of the eighth. Maybe they were in and out and together,
and others outside the circle weren't real sure who was who.

Thanks for the kind comments Anna. I felt you were reluctant to accept my new ID of Prater when I first mentioned it. Perhaps I mis-understood what you were saying originally. My apologies if I did.

[Big Jon]

Excellent article Debs.

[Chris G.]

Hi Jon

Good work to you and Trevor in keeping the Rip readers up to date on developments in regard to the Jack the Ripper Museum on Cable Street. The enterprise continues to appear to be a wrong-headed and misjudged venture. It continues to amaze me that a person (museum owner Mark Palmer-Edgecumbe) who was involved in the well-received Museum of London exhibition on the case a few years back could have thought that what was installed on Cable Street would be well received either by the community or by those of us who study the case, given that it clearly falls short, at least as so far curated.

Best regards

Chris

[Big Jon]

Hi Jon

Good work to you and Trevor in keeping the Rip readers up to date on developments in regard to the Jack the Ripper Museum on Cable Street. The enterprise continues to appear to be a wrong-headed and misjudged venture. It continues to amaze me that a person (museum owner Mark Palmer-Edgecumbe) who was involved in the well-received Museum of London exhibition on the case a few years back could have thought that what was installed on Cable Street would be well received either by the community or by those of us who study the case, given that it clearly falls short, at least as so far curated.

Best regards

Chris

Thanks Chris. The "museum" itself can't seem to make it's mind up as to what it is - it claims to be a serious historical museum, but acts like a gory tourist attraction. We've been keen to get both sides of the argument (though trying to engage with the museum itself has been quite tricky but we got there eventually). Whether there will be more to tell in future only time will tell.

[Chris G.]

Hi again Jon

It occurs to me that the Jack the Ripper Museum might straighten up their act and be made into a creditable institution worthy of the East End and the memory of the victims. I hope that might be the case. Or else of course maybe it will not improve but just eventually fold. For now, of course, the Museum appears to continue to be a source of controversy that, I think, will continue to make it newsworthy, for better or worse.

Best regards

Chris