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  • #16
    Originally posted by CGP View Post
    You are both to be commended on another very thorough investigation of this depressing business.
    Thanks Chris.
    Jon

    "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


    http://www.jlrees.co.uk



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    • #17
      Debs

      Hello Scott. Here you go.

      Cheers.
      LC
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      • #18
        no

        Hello Tom.

        Trevor and Jon exposed? No thanks. (heh-heh)

        Cheers.
        LC

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        • #19
          Just a reminder that if you enjoyed the Rivals of the Ripper article, you can see more of Jan Bondeson at this years London conference .

          More details at :

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          Only a few tickets remain

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          • #20
            Has Debs been fooling us all along?
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            • #21
              Hi Tom

              Re How's idea of Maxwell mistaking Prater for Kelly :

              I don't know if the witnesses at the inquest sat in court the whole while, or whether they were called from a waiting room. If they were in court, surely Prater would have corrected what Maxwell said? If they waited in a side room, surely the women would have chatted about Kelly, and Maxwell's error would have emerged? I suppose it's possible that they sat in the room and Maxwell said nothing, but it seems unlikely.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                Hi Tom

                Re How's idea of Maxwell mistaking Prater for Kelly :

                I don't know if the witnesses at the inquest sat in court the whole while, or whether they were called from a waiting room. If they were in court, surely Prater would have corrected what Maxwell said? If they waited in a side room, surely the women would have chatted about Kelly, and Maxwell's error would have emerged? I suppose it's possible that they sat in the room and Maxwell said nothing, but it seems unlikely.
                Well also they were all individuals in the same small, packed neighborhood and one would suspect that there was chatter or gossip among themselves about what was seen and heard. Still, though, people can be very strong headed about what they think they had witnessed and some were probably determined to give that testimony even if it was contradicted by others.

                Best regards

                Chris
                Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
                https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

                Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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                • #23
                  John Frizzell

                  John just joined us....he wrote the fine article on Joseph Vacher ( The French Ripper). He's an historian...

                  Vacher was one of the most prominent 'other' Rippers...if not the most, after the original....up until Sutcliffe ( Yorkshire Ripper) & Chikatilo ( Rostov Ripper) appeared.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
                    John just joined us....he wrote the fine article on Joseph Vacher ( The French Ripper). He's an historian...

                    Vacher was one of the most prominent 'other' Rippers...if not the most, after the original....up until Sutcliffe ( Yorkshire Ripper) & Chikatilo ( Rostov Ripper) appeared.
                    Excellent to hear! Thanks, Howard!

                    Chris
                    Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
                    https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

                    Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                    Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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                    • #25
                      Debra's article is excellent! All I have read so far. Really good points.

                      I wonder if the women in Millers Court or the general area used each other's names for some reason or other? They apparently shared clothing. A neighbor knocked on MJK's door early in the morning to borrow a shawl. There is also an article somewhere that mentions Mary having breakfast in her room with a couple other women and the door wide open the morning of the eighth. Maybe they were in and out and together,
                      and others outside the circle weren't real sure who was who.
                      The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Anna Morris View Post
                        Debra's article is excellent! All I have read so far. Really good points.

                        I wonder if the women in Millers Court or the general area used each other's names for some reason or other? They apparently shared clothing. A neighbor knocked on MJK's door early in the morning to borrow a shawl. There is also an article somewhere that mentions Mary having breakfast in her room with a couple other women and the door wide open the morning of the eighth. Maybe they were in and out and together,
                        and others outside the circle weren't real sure who was who.
                        Thanks for the kind comments Anna. I felt you were reluctant to accept my new ID of Prater when I first mentioned it. Perhaps I mis-understood what you were saying originally. My apologies if I did.

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                        • #27
                          Excellent article Debs.
                          Jon

                          "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


                          http://www.jlrees.co.uk



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                          • #28
                            Hi Jon

                            Good work to you and Trevor in keeping the Rip readers up to date on developments in regard to the Jack the Ripper Museum on Cable Street. The enterprise continues to appear to be a wrong-headed and misjudged venture. It continues to amaze me that a person (museum owner Mark Palmer-Edgecumbe) who was involved in the well-received Museum of London exhibition on the case a few years back could have thought that what was installed on Cable Street would be well received either by the community or by those of us who study the case, given that it clearly falls short, at least as so far curated.

                            Best regards

                            Chris
                            Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
                            https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

                            Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                            Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
                              Hi Jon

                              Good work to you and Trevor in keeping the Rip readers up to date on developments in regard to the Jack the Ripper Museum on Cable Street. The enterprise continues to appear to be a wrong-headed and misjudged venture. It continues to amaze me that a person (museum owner Mark Palmer-Edgecumbe) who was involved in the well-received Museum of London exhibition on the case a few years back could have thought that what was installed on Cable Street would be well received either by the community or by those of us who study the case, given that it clearly falls short, at least as so far curated.

                              Best regards

                              Chris
                              Thanks Chris. The "museum" itself can't seem to make it's mind up as to what it is - it claims to be a serious historical museum, but acts like a gory tourist attraction. We've been keen to get both sides of the argument (though trying to engage with the museum itself has been quite tricky but we got there eventually). Whether there will be more to tell in future only time will tell.
                              Jon

                              "It is far more comfortable to point a finger and declare someone a devil, than to call upon your imagination to try to understand their world."


                              http://www.jlrees.co.uk



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                              • #30
                                Hi again Jon

                                It occurs to me that the Jack the Ripper Museum might straighten up their act and be made into a creditable institution worthy of the East End and the memory of the victims. I hope that might be the case. Or else of course maybe it will not improve but just eventually fold. For now, of course, the Museum appears to continue to be a source of controversy that, I think, will continue to make it newsworthy, for better or worse.

                                Best regards

                                Chris
                                Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
                                https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

                                Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                                Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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