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    One of the mysteries within the Mystery is why there were no ripper murders in October 1888. Your opinion?











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    A great list of options,Tim
    49
    He was laying low from the heat after the Double Event
    6.12%
    3
    He was just taking a break
    0.00%
    0
    He was ill or injured
    12.24%
    6
    His work kept him from it
    0.00%
    0
    He thought he was under surveillance
    10.20%
    5
    He was looking specifically for Mary Kelly
    0.00%
    0
    The stars and planets weren't right again until November
    0.00%
    0
    He was carefully planning the final crime
    0.00%
    0
    He was trying, but just couldn't find the right victim that month
    12.24%
    6
    He had been incarcerated for an unrelated minor offense
    4.08%
    2
    He deliberately waited to increase the terror and suspense.
    0.00%
    0
    It all had to do with his motive or reason for the murders
    2.04%
    1
    He had another personal reason for stopping temporarily
    2.04%
    1
    He became temporarily cured of his mental illness that month
    4.08%
    2
    He was waiting to see what the police would do - curse those bloodhounds!
    2.04%
    1
    The murders had an unknown stimulus that simply did not occur that month
    6.12%
    3
    Family problems
    0.00%
    0
    His work was actually completed in September - Mary Kelly was someone else's doing
    4.08%
    2
    More than one of the above applies
    22.45%
    11
    None of the Above
    12.24%
    6

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    One or the other here....

    If it wasn't Stephenson....then he either couldn't find a prostitute that knew police beats....that he couldn't find an unguarded beat before approaching a potential victim....or he may have been as some say,injured by the knife and recuperating.

    If it was Stephenson.....then none of this applies as he could NOT have been injured....he could not meander the neighborhood like it has been suggested ( see below ).....or he waited the nearly 7 weeks before going at it again,this time indoors of course.

    One thing that has been a strain on the credibility and to the concept of Stephenson as Ripper was his ability to simply take nocturnal excursions at will,based on the notion that he was a 'self-administrating physician"...and that Dr.Sutton would accept any claims that he was a doctor. This is at best tenuous and most likely an assumption designed to explain how he could come and go from London Hospital.

    I used to believe that this idea might hold water,but not any longer. In 1889,this same Dr.Sutton was present at LH and voila !... the same doctor who had Stephenson under his care 7 months prior. Looks like Stephenson-as-doctor didn't heed the maxim...."Physician...heal thyself !"

    Stephenson wasn't a doctor. He may have had a modicum of knowledge as many here on this site have, to be honest....about procedures in medicine. His surgeon skills are a different matter and there is a significant difference between a disease-specialist and a surgeon,much akin to the differences between a gyneocologist and an osteopath. Both are medical people,but in different areas.

    Then again,if Stephenson was the Ripper....he really needed to absent himself from LH on only 4 dates ( If Tabram is excluded here for a second....). However,this 'self administering' doctor claim is specious and if this latter scenario did hold water,completely unnecessary.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by admin
      One of the mysteries within the Mystery is why there were no ripper murders in October 1888. Your opinion?
      A great list of options,Tim

      A few possibilities....
      *He had an illness or injury that temporarily stopped him
      *He was busy at his "day" job
      *He didn't feel the urge
      *Police presence/pressure was too risky

      What do I think? I think that he just didn't feel the urge or was injured. That's my guess. I don't think his day job interfered in the past so I'll rule it out for October. And I don't think the police presence or pressure would have stopped him if he felt his urge to kill. He simply would have found an area where there wasn't as much police presence if he really needed a kill that bad.

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      • #4
        Well, whether or not one admits Tabram will make a difference. I suppose for those who don't, then there is either no problem, or TWO problems!

        If you take the gap from Nichols to Chapman, then from Chapman to Stride/Eddowes, and thence to Kelly, there seems to be a progression of roughly one, three, five weeks. So maybe he was losing his taste for it.

        On the other hand, if you add in the escalating violence, maybe he was somehow prevented from murdering more often. So because he went three weeks between Chapman and Eddowes, Kate ends up on the receiving end of pent-up frustration. Same only more so from Eddowes to Kelly.

        Or maybe it was all pure chance, depending on who he bumped into, and what mood they were in, and what mood he was in.

        Robert

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        • #5
          Good points Robert

          I think the gap between the crimes is an underrated "fact" or detail that people sometimes overlook.

          40 days between Eddowes and Kelly is 57 percent of the total time that most feel the skein of canonical murders lasted ( Yes...Tabram has become more of a factor as of late ).
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          • #6
            You cant just look at murders and say nothing happened during October.
            Was there any 'unfinished' attacks?

            Mr I

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            • #7
              Mr.Invisible:

              Thats a good point.

              In fact I mentioned that to Frank VanOploo over on Casebook today...small world.

              I wonder if the Ripper took out any aggression during the month of October at home or perhaps,on the street.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by How Brown
                I wonder if the Ripper took out any aggression during the month of October at home or perhaps,on the street.
                Prob'ly contented 'imself with kickin' th' cat.

                Actually, I like Joe Barnett for the MJK killing - which was unrelated to the Ripper's 'work'.
                Tel
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                • #9
                  Tel
                  I agree. I've never felt MJK was a Ripper victim. Not actual reason, just a hunch. It worked so well for JtR. Added to his rep without any risk. Perhaps it generated a bit of envy. "X" (or Barnett) did something Jack never had the gall to do.

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                  • #10
                    Tel ( I had to capitalize you,sor... ) and Jana:

                    No debate about your opinions on Barnett at all....but consider this...

                    Here again we have a suspect ( and the first tangible suspect with a direct link to a victim in the WM "series", aside from the modern Kidney-killed-Stride theorists ) who passes the muster with the police scrutiny. George Hutchinson,obviously,has been fitted up in modern times as well....but Barnett is unique in that he was assessed as a contemporary suspect and judged non-culpable.

                    Out of curiosity...and again,not arguing against either of you two...how do WE reconcile this? Thanks !
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                    • #11
                      Well, personally, I believe that the police investigation of Barnett was coloured by the fact that they believed they were looking for the perpetrator of all the 'Jack' crimes - if Barnett comes up squeaky clean on one or more of the earlier crimes he is, by inference, 'innocent'.

                      Not entirely unknow for the police to be in the wrong either - witness the last of Glover's 'Granny Killings' - committed after the police had followed him to the premises AND were keeping watch outside.
                      Tel
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                      • #12
                        Tel:

                        Okay,,,fair enough,sir...

                        How about you,Jana ?.....or anyone else?
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                        • #13
                          BTW - I'm more than half way leaning toward the Kidney/Stride theory myself. The main argument against that is that it would be a huge coincidence for two independant murders to occur so close together in time & space. Well, such coincidences HAVE happened in the past, and, I dare say, will continue to do so.
                          Tel
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                          • #14
                            Barnett could have easily been fitted up, but apparently something in the way he conducted himself didn't work for the cops. I'm a bit more fond of Hutchinson, actually, though I haven't conducted any deep study of that particular case.

                            I do find it fascinating that no one was 'fitted up'. Pizer was cleared as were others. By the middle of October you would have thought the cops would have easily gone with the next guy who presented himself, but they didn't. That implies they had a notion who it was, but couldn't get anyone else to agree, or they were showing a great deal of restraint. Modern police investigations have not shown such reticence.

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                            • #15
                              Well TR, I think there was a lot of pressure to not ony get it but to get it right - be a tad embarrasing if they fitted someone up for the job & next week another victim turns up.
                              Tel
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