"Skewering The Ripperologists" Bad Women Podcast- Hallie Rubenhold

[Howard Brown]

In case Ripperologists were unaware of this podcast, I thought I'd share the blurb :



Bad Women: The Ripper Retold, “Dark Annie and the Demon Drink”

Author and historian Hallie Rubenhold’s 2019 book, The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper, won her no fans among the so-called Ripperologists, who have turned the horrific unsolved crimes and penny-dreadful fodder into a cottage industry with books, walking tours, merch, and more — all because Rubenhold dared to humanize the victims and place them in historical context. This podcast, which is based on her book, takes aim at her critics in the first episode, “The Ripper Myth,” and continues throughout to satisfyingly skewer Ripperologists, especially one former officer who seems to think the murder victims at the heart of the case must have done something to warrant their gutting one way or another.

It’s that Victorian-era morality that Rubenhold’s research seeks to upend by exploring every nook and cranny of the lives of the five. As she says at the outset of the series, “Jack the Ripper may have killed these women, but Victorian society was the accomplice.” After spending two episodes with the Ripper’s first known victim, Polly Nichols, Rubenhold moves on to Annie Chapman, who ended up in the Whitechapel neighborhood of London as a result of her struggles with alcoholism. As in previous episodes, Rubenhold supplements her research with carefully chosen expert interviews; here, Dr. Julia Skelly discusses how addiction and specifically alcoholism — and even more specifically alcoholic women — were viewed in Victorian England as well as the disease model of addiction and the temperance movement. —Jenni Miller


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I'm not involved with Ripper research any longer and couldn't care less about Rube even when I was involved, but I was just wondering who this 'former officer' is that is being referred to.......

It isn't possible, is it, that some former officer in the U.K. actually said something along those lines ?

Over and out.

[Howard Brown]

Looks like Rube has a series of episodes....all intended to enlighten those still profiting off of the Ripper saga....including herself.

https://www.pushkin.fm/show/bad-women/

[Gary Barnett]

I’ve seen this on FB, but haven’t listened to it. I got the impression the former officer might be Trevor.

[Edward Stow]

I think that there is more than an impression as to the secret policeman's balls' up.

[Chris Phillips]

I note that the stuff about "skewering Ripperologists" comes from a review on another website. The podcast itself is on a website called Pushkin, which describes itself in very worthy terms. Perhaps it would be worth suggesting to them that in the interests of diversity it would be worth offering a right to reply for the women who took part in Ally's "Petticoat Parley", who feel that it's Rubenhold who is demeaning the victims. Certainly if any named Ripperologist is misrepresented I think it would be worth contacting them. But I don't think I can spare the time to listen to the podcast myself. I did try to read Rubenhold's book ...

[Gary Barnett]

I note that the stuff about "skewering Ripperologists" comes from a review on another website. The podcast itself is on a website called Pushkin, which describes itself in very worthy terms. Perhaps it would be worth suggesting to them that in the interests of diversity it would be worth offering a right to reply for the women who took part in Ally's "Petticoat Parley", who feel that it's Rubenhold who is demeaning the victims. Certainly if any named Ripperologist is misrepresented I think it would be worth contacting them. But I don't think I can spare the time to listen to the podcast myself. I did try to read Rubenhold's book ...

I have left details of the upcoming Casebook event and a link to Ally and co’s podcast on their FB page.

[Michael Banks]

Interesting that Rubenhold’s morally lofty acolytes use the gleeful phrase ‘satisfyingly skewering the Ripperologists.’ Perhaps they should take a deep breath and consider the weight of any supposed ‘moral victory’ when only one side of the debate is heard? Refusing to share a platform with those who have an opposing viewpoint…….sounds familiar.

[Howard Brown]

Bump Up..........................

[Paul]

It has been discussed on Facebook quite a lot. A number of Ripperologists were invited to appear (I wasn't) and all declined, except Trevor Marriott, who apparently gave the performance everyone foresaw. Various observations have been made, for me the interesting one was the blood colour and knife-shaped gash in the promo material. Taken with the subtitle 'Ripper Retold', it was all remarkably ill-chosen for a series ostensibly not about the Ripper at all. No matter how lofty the heights some authors see themselves occupying, the marketing wallahs know a selling tool when they see one and will drag the author down into the gutter, although in this case with no noticeable kicking and screaming.

[Trevor Marriott]

In case Ripperologists were unaware of this podcast, I thought I'd share the blurb :



Bad Women: The Ripper Retold, “Dark Annie and the Demon Drink”

Author and historian Hallie Rubenhold’s 2019 book, The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper, won her no fans among the so-called Ripperologists, who have turned the horrific unsolved crimes and penny-dreadful fodder into a cottage industry with books, walking tours, merch, and more — all because Rubenhold dared to humanize the victims and place them in historical context. This podcast, which is based on her book, takes aim at her critics in the first episode, “The Ripper Myth,” and continues throughout to satisfyingly skewer Ripperologists, especially one former officer who seems to think the murder victims at the heart of the case must have done something to warrant their gutting one way or another.

It’s that Victorian-era morality that Rubenhold’s research seeks to upend by exploring every nook and cranny of the lives of the five. As she says at the outset of the series, “Jack the Ripper may have killed these women, but Victorian society was the accomplice.” After spending two episodes with the Ripper’s first known victim, Polly Nichols, Rubenhold moves on to Annie Chapman, who ended up in the Whitechapel neighborhood of London as a result of her struggles with alcoholism. As in previous episodes, Rubenhold supplements her research with carefully chosen expert interviews; here, Dr. Julia Skelly discusses how addiction and specifically alcoholism — and even more specifically alcoholic women — were viewed in Victorian England as well as the disease model of addiction and the temperance movement. —Jenni Miller


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I'm not involved with Ripper research any longer and couldn't care less about Rube even when I was involved, but I was just wondering who this 'former officer' is that is being referred to.......

It isn't possible, is it, that some former officer in the U.K. actually said something along those lines ?

Over and out.

It was I who gave the interview, to put the record straight about her book and the victims, and I certainly never said anything along the lines which you have quoted. so I dont know where you got that from!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Howard Brown]

Marriott:

I posted the blurb from the source.....that's where I got it from. I didn't invent it. Any problems with the blurb, complain to them.

[Chris Phillips]

It was I who gave the interview, to put the record straight about her book and the victims, and I certainly never said anything along the lines which you have quoted. so I dont know where you got that from!!!!!!!!!!

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

It's from a review of the podcast by one Jenni Miller, on a website called Vulture:

https://www.vulture.com/2021/10/best-true-crime-podcasts-haunted-attractions.html

[Trevor Marriott]

It's from a review of the podcast by one Jenni Miller, on a website called Vulture:
https://www.vulture.com/2021/10/best...tractions.html

Well as usual misleading facts and quotes presented by one of her followers

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Paul]

Well as usual misleading facts and quotes presented by one of her followers

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Whether it is or whether it isn't 'misleading', there are more followers on Twitter expressing consternation at the things you said on that podcast. I appreciate that you can't see it this way, but HR engaged with you on Twitter, having blocked everyone else, because she could play you like a virtuoso - which she did. You'd have been wise if you'd backed off that podcast, like everyone else did, because it unashamedly promoted HR and was not a corrective. You achieved nothing but to give her followers the chance to present you as the representative of Ripperology, which you are very much not.

[Chris Phillips]

Does anyone know which episode (and preferably whereabouts within the episode) the interview with Trevor Marriott is?

And also whether it's possible to listen to the podcast without signing up to one of the services listed?