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"Skewering The Ripperologists" Bad Women Podcast- Hallie Rubenhold
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Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
Thanks, Linotte. I have a feeling the letter won’t make a blind bit of difference, but I thought it was worth a try. I don’t think there’s been a single example of a challenge to Rubenhold’s book or her characterisation of Ripperologists that has found its way into mainstream media. As you may know she refused to engage in any debate on Twitter, so we’re left with moaning about her antics among ourselves on here and, to a lesser extent, on Casebook.
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Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
Thanks, Linotte. I have a feeling the letter won’t make a blind bit of difference, but I thought it was worth a try. I don’t think there’s been a single example of a challenge to Rubenhold’s book or her characterisation of Ripperologists that has found its way into mainstream media. As you may know she refused to engage in any debate on Twitter, so we’re left with moaning about her antics among ourselves on here and, to a lesser extent, on Casebook.
And something one of my intersectional feminist friends said in a conversation with me after reading the article: “Okay, but why is she splitting hairs here? What is SHE trying to gain by saying that they ‘weren’t prostitutes?’ To make them more sympathetic! They were murdered by a sick guy all the same.” So people are seeing it. It’s just taking time.
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Originally posted by Gary Barnett View PostHow makes a valid point: where is this trolling happening?
On here, because we are questioning the Ballad Myth? Has Hallie’s entry into the field of Ripperology made it inappropriate to question the research/theories of authors who follow her lead, or minor celebrities who parrot her nonsense on daytime TV?We know that from the outset she was demonising ripperologists so that she had an ideal ‘bad guy’ that she could play Joan Of Arc against and now she’s piling it on.
Suggestion:
Coudnt a Twitter account be created by JTRForums members and admin where the real story is told from the beginning (I’d suggest ‘Ripperology’ or ‘Ripperologist’ in the name so that it’s more findable?) . The agenda of demonising ripperologists - with examples. The ongoing wave of negative comments. Then the question of why she is so determined to prove that the victims didn’t engage in prostitution and had just bedded down for 40 winks before being killed. The uncritical reviewers who thankfully haven’t injured themselves whilst jumping on the bandwagon. Then go for the full evidence for the victims engaging in prostitution followed by a dismissal of the ludicrous idea of them being asleep. And of course the feminist point of view and not just HR’s version. You could link to the Petticoat Parley podcast too.
All statements posted could be written/researched/agreed upon by, I’d suggest, yourself, Chris, How, Paul, Debra, Linotte for example. Just factual, honest, fair minded statements. Wouldn’t that at least get the truth out there to some extent? I don’t know. Perhaps it’s a crap idea?Regards
Michael🔎
" When you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable......is probably a little bit boring "
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Originally posted by Michael Banks View Post
I’ve wondered about this point too Gary. I don’t do social media so I have no way of judging any comments that might or might not have been made except for Trevor’s impersonation of Bernard Manning of course.We know that from the outset she was demonising ripperologists so that she had an ideal ‘bad guy’ that she could play Joan Of Arc against and now she’s piling it on.
Suggestion:
Coudnt a Twitter account be created by JTRForums members and admin where the real story is told from the beginning (I’d suggest ‘Ripperology’ or ‘Ripperologist’ in the name so that it’s more findable?) . The agenda of demonising ripperologists - with examples. The ongoing wave of negative comments. Then the question of why she is so determined to prove that the victims didn’t engage in prostitution and had just bedded down for 40 winks before being killed. The uncritical reviewers who thankfully haven’t injured themselves whilst jumping on the bandwagon. Then go for the full evidence for the victims engaging in prostitution followed by a dismissal of the ludicrous idea of them being asleep. And of course the feminist point of view and not just HR’s version. You could link to the Petticoat Parley podcast too.
All statements posted could be written/researched/agreed upon by, I’d suggest, yourself, Chris, How, Paul, Debra, Linotte for example. Just factual, honest, fair minded statements. Wouldn’t that at least get the truth out there to some extent? I don’t know. Perhaps it’s a crap idea?
If only there was a 'celebrity' Ripperologist out there who already had millions of followers!
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Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
That's an interesting idea and something I'd thought about too Michael but the biggest obstacle would be the amount of time it would take to build up any followers and get noticed as a fair few 'Ripperologists' do have Twitter accounts and it seems to be a drop in the ocean when they make any comment about what's been going on.
If only there was a 'celebrity' Ripperologist out there who already had millions of followers!
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Originally posted by Michael Banks View Post
I’ve wondered about this point too Gary. I don’t do social media so I have no way of judging any comments that might or might not have been made except for Trevor’s impersonation of Bernard Manning of course.We know that from the outset she was demonising ripperologists so that she had an ideal ‘bad guy’ that she could play Joan Of Arc against and now she’s piling it on.
Suggestion:
Coudnt a Twitter account be created by JTRForums members and admin where the real story is told from the beginning (I’d suggest ‘Ripperology’ or ‘Ripperologist’ in the name so that it’s more findable?) . The agenda of demonising ripperologists - with examples. The ongoing wave of negative comments. Then the question of why she is so determined to prove that the victims didn’t engage in prostitution and had just bedded down for 40 winks before being killed. The uncritical reviewers who thankfully haven’t injured themselves whilst jumping on the bandwagon. Then go for the full evidence for the victims engaging in prostitution followed by a dismissal of the ludicrous idea of them being asleep. And of course the feminist point of view and not just HR’s version. You could link to the Petticoat Parley podcast too.
All statements posted could be written/researched/agreed upon by, I’d suggest, yourself, Chris, How, Paul, Debra, Linotte for example. Just factual, honest, fair minded statements. Wouldn’t that at least get the truth out there to some extent? I don’t know. Perhaps it’s a crap idea?
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Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
That's an interesting idea and something I'd thought about too Michael but the biggest obstacle would be the amount of time it would take to build up any followers and get noticed as a fair few 'Ripperologists' do have Twitter accounts and it seems to be a drop in the ocean when they make any comment about what's been going on.
If only there was a 'celebrity' Ripperologist out there who already had millions of followers!Regards
Michael🔎
" When you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable......is probably a little bit boring "
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Originally posted by Linotte View Post
There’s a blog in development that will be handling the case from a true intersectional feminist perspective. They have a Twitter up already and will be getting their other social media together very, very soon. Posts start very, very soon. Don’t ask how I know.Regards
Michael🔎
" When you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable......is probably a little bit boring "
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Originally posted by Paul View Post
I just called you a not very nice name. I read the above whilst swallowing a mouthful of tea. I won't go into details...
He’s got his own hash tag: #readthebookTrevor. That’s like having an ‘ology’, isn’t it?
I’m not totally sure what a hash tag is, to be honest, but perhaps HR should be awarded this one:
#readthebibliographyHallie.
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Originally posted by Linotte View Post
There’s a blog in development that will be handling the case from a true intersectional feminist perspective. They have a Twitter up already and will be getting their other social media together very, very soon. Posts start very, very soon. Don’t ask how I know.
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Originally posted by Michael Banks View Post
One who’s initials are PB for example Debra?
I think most 'Ripperologists' will be the first to admit that they don't have enough Twitter followers to make an impact. Jonathan Menges has been making a great effort though, to name one.
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Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
I didn't know Pierce Brosnan was a Ripperologist
I think most 'Ripperologists' will be the first to admit that they don't have enough Twitter followers to make an impact. Jonathan Menges has been making a great effort though, to name one.
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