Thomas Fogarty

[Gary Barnett]

Robert!

If you shave off the moustache, I'll kiss you. Look what your link led me to:



The old memory's coming back, I think the White Hart was the one with the parrots?

[Robert Linford]

Er - could you repeat that?

[Gary Barnett]

Probably the wrong thread for this, but the building with the highest (smoking) chimney must be the Breezers' Hill/Virginia Street sugar house? So where is BH itself?

There may be an element of artistic licence in the background, I'm thinking.

[Gary Barnett]

Er - could you repeat that?

No, it was a one-off offer (or threat).

[Robert Linford]

I mean about the parrot.

[Gary Barnett]

I mean about the parrot.

Ah, I see.

The pub was up for sale at some point and its parrots were to be included in the price, if I remember correctly.

I've just bought the image from Collage. It dates from 1865. The pub looks much later in date than the possibly 17th century buildings either side, which may well have been the orginals put up by old 'Praisebetogod...Barebones'.

[Anna Morris]

I'm one of those freaks that likes to read lists and I have found great enjoyment in the sugar bakers of the world list. It is an international list but there were a heck of a lot of Germans refining sugar in London!!!!

I am through the G's already and #95 or #96 Pennington-Street hasn't shown up yet as a residence from 1871 on. (The dates go from 1700s to 1900s but I chose to start collecting information in 1871.)

#108 PS must have been like a rooming house. Different names there in 1871.

Other PS numbers in 1871 are: 94, 99, 81, 106, 108, 110 and 2.

1881: #2.

1873-1878: Brummerloh, Johann lived at 90 and 93 PS.

3 Breezers Hill looks like it was a sugar factory AND living quarters through 1880.

If it means anything, re. Mrs. Bockee/Buki, a person named Bloma of Amt Alsa, age 28, lived at 94 PS, 1871.

This collection has information from church records, etc. so it covers also families and happenings among these people. Many thanks, Gary, for telling us about the sugar business in the area.

My genealogy resources are poor so I thought I might get more by mining addresses. My geography is greatly improving.

[Gary Barnett]

Hi Anna,

I don't think no.3 was ever a factory, it was too small. My grandmother was born there in 1896.

Have you ever seen this?

http://www.mawer.clara.net/intro.html

Gary

Just noticed that Pat had already posted this, and, I'm sure, it's on the Ratcliffe Highway thread at least once. I've been in touch with the man who runs the website. His ancestors ran a sugar house in (I think) Hanbury Street.

[Anna Morris]

Hi Anna,

I don't think no.3 was ever a factory, it was too small. My grandmother was born there in 1896.

Have you ever seen this?

http://www.mawer.clara.net/intro.html

Gary

Just noticed that Pat had already posted this, and, I'm sure, it's on the Ratcliffe Highway thread at least once. Ive been in touch with he man who runs the website. His ancestors ran a sugar house in (I think) in Hanbury Street.

That's a great link. I had no idea the sugar refining business started in London. Amazing! We have sugar refineries around here but it's beet sugar and that process was barely invented in the 1880s.

In the directory I am using, two young men lived at 3 BH in 1871. One in 1873, 1875 and 1880.

One address was both a sugar house and "dwelling place" but I don't remember which. I have this list for #3 BH and didn't look carefully at the dates for each and got the wrong idea.

[Gary Barnett]

That's a great link. I had no idea the sugar refining business started in London. Amazing! We have sugar refineries around here but it's beet sugar and that process was barely invented in the 1880s.

In the directory I am using, two young men lived at 3 BH in 1871. One in 1873, 1875 and 1880.

One address was both a sugar house and "dwelling place" but I don't remember which. I have this list for #3 BH and didn't look carefully at the dates for each and got the wrong idea.

Anna,

I'd love to see anything you've found on no. 3. Perhaps over on the Ratcliffe Highway Thread?

Gary.

[Robert Linford]

This is a nice geographical tool :

http://www.mawer.clara.net/white4.html

[Gary Barnett]

This is a nice geographical tool :


http://www.mawer.clara.net/white4.html

I wonder if Foggy had a sweet tooth? His teeth were said to be 'bad'. (But don't quote me on that, just yet.)

[Gary Barnett]

This is a nice geographical tool :


http://www.mawer.clara.net/white4.html

It is, but I wouldn't assume the position of the red dots is precisely accurate. He seems to have one blocking the exit from Shovel Alley!

[Anna Morris]

I wonder if Foggy had a sweet tooth? His teeth were said to be 'bad'. (But don't quote me on that, just yet.)

It seems to me, with all that sugar getting made, a gin factory ought to be right next door? (I only know the rudiments of that kind of distilling but remember that moonshiners used to get caught here in the U.S. due to purchasing exceptionally high amounts of sugar. Now the law is more interested in cold medicine and farm fertilizer used to make meth but a while back they watched sugar.)

[Edward Stow]

What exactly happened to Gary in Brighton? That's what I have been waiting to find out. Was he waylaid down a back passage in the Lanes?
He starts this uber provocative suspect thread and then doesn't deliver. Did he sign the official secrets act with East Sussex Council?