Thomas Fogarty

[Debra Arif]

For purposes of elimination I sent off for the birth cert of the TF born in Whitechapel in the 3q 1856:

The details are:

Born: 12/8/1856 in Whitechapel Workhouse.

Father: David Fogarty, a labourer.

Mother: Margaret Fogarty, formerly Brian.

This boy is too young to have been the sugar thief, and his father's forename, mother's maiden name and his place of birth are at odds with the details of the boy christened at the Virginia Street Chapel, the man on the 1891 census and the man who married Pearly Poll.

Thanks, Gary. I suppose he could still be the soldier b 1856 St George who deserted at Woolwich in 1875, there being no other military record of him. That would be quite a coincidence and mean that blind Fogerty didn't leave any record to show he was in the army at all, but still possible.

[Gary Barnett]

Thanks, Gary. I suppose he could still be the soldier b 1856 St George who deserted at Woolwich in 1875, there being no other military record of him. That would be quite a coincidence and mean that blind Fogerty didn't leave any record to show he was in the army at all, but still possible.

I was curious to see where in 'Whitechapel' the 1856 boy had been born. It could have been right down in Foggy territory, close to STGITE. The cert wasn't too helpful in that respect as it recorded a Whitechapel workhouse birth (presumably Charles Street?) but didn't give any idea of where the family came from.

I think the soldier could well be our Foggy, but there's still a bit of a ? in my mind.

[Gary Barnett]

Man with a deformed left cheek?

This photo is being discussed over on Casebook:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?p=415841&highlight=Dorset#post415841

[Robert Linford]

I can't make out a deformed left cheek, but this is written in the bottom right corner - Something St?

[Gary Barnett]

I can't make out a deformed left cheek, but this is written in the bottom right corner - Something St?

Crispin Street?

[Gary Barnett]

The light area beneath his left eye?

[Gary Barnett]

Crispin Street?

I think that's where it's supposed to be - the Crispin Street/Dorset Street corner (The Horn of Plenty).

[Robert Linford]

I saw the cheek you posted, but I put it down to a punch.

[Gary Barnett]

I saw the cheek you posted, but I put it down to a punch.

The Judy on the right looks a real character!

I think the photo is ca 1895.

[Robert Linford]

Jack Nicholson's in there somewhere.

[Gary Barnett]

Jack Nicholson's in there somewhere.

That's The Shining, not The Shiner!

[Gary Barnett]

I've copied this extract of a letter written by the manager of the Providence Row Refuge from the Francis Thompson thread because it speaks of providing sellers of matches and laces with stock.

I wonder if Foggy ever stayed there or got a helping hand from them?


The work of the charity does not end at “feeding the hungry” and “harbouring the harbourless”. It is also the means of enabling many of those, who find shelter within the walls of the Refuge, to begin life afresh, and to obtain again a position for themselves in the world. Those, for example, who through dire necessity, to save their families from starvation or worse, have parted with their tools, are enabled to recover them: sellers of fusees (large matches), flowers, newspapers, bootlaces, and the like, without hope or money, are supplied with a little stock: rent is paid and a small allowance granted to mothers and children, when the breadwinner through sickness is unable to work: the ragged are also clothed and situations obtained for them.

[Gary Barnett]

Claybury

I've been in touch with the Redbridge Heritage Centre who hold the remaining records of Claybury Asylum, but unfortunately the centre is being refurbished at the moment and isn't due to reopen until mid-June.

It occurred to me last night as I was listening to a Rippercast interview with Chris Scott that Foggy and Joe Fleming would have been there at the same time (1903 - 1906).

At one time my parents had a small shop in Tomswood Hill, not far from Claybury. One of our regular customers was a lovely white-haired old lady who used to come in to buy sweets. One day after she'd left the shop another customer who worked at the Hospital said 'She's one of ours.'

Apparently she had been sent to Claybury as a girl because her parents couldn't control her. The nurse seemed to think there was nothing really wrong with her, but she'd spent most of her life at the asylum.

This would have been around 1979/80. The old lady was probably in her 70s, so she could have been in the hospital while Fleming was there (1920).

[Robert Linford]

Barkingside's a nice area. Circular library.


Pity we don't know what Fleming looked like, but it's too late to send up a drone.


I don't know if you've checked the Ilford library newspapers for Crossingham et al?

[Gary Barnett]

Barkingside's a nice area. Circular library.


Pity we don't know what Fleming looked like, but it's too late to send up a drone.


I don't know if you've checked the Ilford library newspapers for Crossingham et al?

I've looked at the shop on street view, it's now something called Bubbles.

When the centre reopens, (20th June) I'll pay them a visit. There may be some Maywood info there too.

Did you know that Claybury is supposed to be haunted and one of the ghosts is said to be a 'tall man' 😄

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KXU6q2g1TSI