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  • A wild and lonely place, y'understand.

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    • Originally posted by Robert Linford
      I saw the cheek you posted, but I put it down to a punch.

      The deformity on the man's cheek looks like a tumor. Note how the cheek closer to the nose appears sunken. Alternatively it could be a dental abscess or other infection but overall it looks like a tumor.
      The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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      • Originally posted by Anna Morris
        The deformity on the man's cheek looks like a tumor. Note how the cheek closer to the nose appears sunken. Alternatively it could be a dental abscess or other infection but overall it looks like a tumor.
        Anna,

        What do you make of Foggy's left cheek (post 166)?

        Gary

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        • Originally posted by Robert Linford
          A wild and lonely place, y'understand.
          The park was laid out by Humphry Repton, who also laid out my local park - Raphael Park.

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          • Originally posted by Gary Barnett
            Anna,

            What do you make of Foggy's left cheek (post 166)?

            Gary
            OH! It looks like a surgical scar from removing something like a tumor. It starts a little above the eye and goes low on the cheek.

            Then note the whiskers on the left side. His beard and whiskers are close trimmed but on the lower jaw line it looks like there is a tuft or swelling. I wonder if he had facial cancer. It is even possible he could have had cancer that affected his eyes though we have nothing to indicate that. I'm just saying it's possible.

            What appears to be a swelling lower on the jaw could also be a dental abscess but he is cleaned up, clipped and spruced for the picture so surely anything like that would have been treated prior to the picture.
            The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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            • Originally posted by Anna Morris
              OH! It looks like a surgical scar from removing something like a tumor. It starts a little above the eye and goes low on the cheek.

              Then note the whiskers on the left side. His beard and whiskers are close trimmed but on the lower jaw line it looks like there is a tuft or swelling. I wonder if he had facial cancer. It is even possible he could have had cancer that affected his eyes though we have nothing to indicate that. I'm just saying it's possible.

              What appears to be a swelling lower on the jaw could also be a dental abscess but he is cleaned up, clipped and spruced for the picture so surely anything like that would have been treated prior to the picture.
              When he died, the Hospital issued a death notice that mentions 'old scars on both legs' but says nothing about his cheek.

              I initially wondered whether his blindness was congenital and was in some way connected to the deformed cheek. But Debra's discovery of the reference to his having been in the army scuppered that idea. So either disease or injury sustained post-1887/8 seems to have been the cause.

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              • Originally posted by Robert Linford
                I can't make out a deformed left cheek, but this is written in the bottom right corner - Something St?
                Looks like Christopher St. to me.
                The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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                • Originally posted by Gary Barnett
                  When he died, the Hospital issued a death notice that mentions 'old scars on both legs' but says nothing about his cheek.

                  I initially wondered whether his blindness was congenital and was in some way connected to the deformed cheek. But Debra's discovery of the reference to his having been in the army scuppered that idea. So either disease or injury sustained post-1887/8 seems to have been the cause.
                  I couldn't quite catch up to who is in the picture in post 306. Is that Foggy?
                  The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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                  • Originally posted by Anna Morris
                    I couldn't quite catch up to who is in the picture in post 306. Is that Foggy?
                    Probably not. It's a photo of the pub at the top of Dorset Street. I noticed the facial thing and it reminded me of Fogarty.

                    There's also a photo of a blind match seller at a market in Islington who seems to have a deformed/damaged left cheek.

                    Probably three different men.

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                    • There are some benign tumors that occur on the face and are somewhat common especially in men. In those days it is less likely those things would have been operated on.
                      The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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                      • Hi I've just spent a maddening hour looking at the street name on the photograph. I'm at my mother's house so I got a second opinion too! For what it's worth:
                        It could start with a 'c' or the 'c' could be a part of a capital 'm' or even an 'h'. The middle of the words appear to me to show a 't' an 's' and a 'c'. I think that the word ends in 'el' or double L.
                        My mum's contribution is that the 3 downward strokes look like crossings out (or at a push the letter 'k'). What makes me consider 'crossings out' a little further is that, if the first letter is a large 'm' or 'h', there appears to be writing behind it.

                        So, if they are crossings out, does that mean that those pesky Freemasons have been at it again?
                        And a question.....does anyone on here speak Klingon?

                        Great research by the way.

                        Regards
                        Michael
                        Last edited by Michael Banks; June 5, 2017, 01:17 PM. Reason: Missed a bit
                        Regards

                        MichaelšŸ”Ž


                        " When you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable......is probably a little bit boring "

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                        • The Clerkenwell Sessions Calendar of Prisoners for February, 1871 gives the sugar-thief's age as 17 (Foggy was 16) and his occupation as labourer.

                          Sod's law, the page in the December Calendar which contains the other TF case is missing from FMP. He is prisoner no. 16 and the first prisoner they have is no. 19.

                          This is the former Clerkenwell Sessions House in Clerkenwell Green (not a blade of grass in sight).

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                          • However, prisoner 75 in the December Calendar, John Mocock, was indicted alongside prisoner 16. The charge was 'larceny by servant and receiving' and concerned the theft of 2 'duplicates' from one James Kelly. Mocock's occupation was given as 'printer', so it would seem that this TF also worked for a printer.

                            Mocock does seem to have lived in St Geo E. He was acquitted of the charge, but Fogerty was convicted.

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                            • He would be the one living in Charlotte St, Whitechapel in 71. There was a John Mocock marrying SGITE in 72.

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                              • From the baptisms, I think the printer married the romantically named Eliza Spittle. Hopefully on her wedding day she wore a veil.

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