Thomas Fogarty

[Gary Barnett]

He would be the one living in Charlotte St, Whitechapel in 71. There was a John Mocock marrying SGITE in 72.

Yes, I think so. In Henry Street, STGITE in 1861 (Tiger Bay). His father was a gunmaker.

What would a 'duplicate' be?

[Robert Linford]

Might have something to do with spare typeface, or maybe something like this :

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pcnMDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA1999-IA172&lpg=PA1999-IA172&dq=printing+duplicate+typeface&source=bl&ots=BA9OxyVcyK&sig=jVvZk0zLUsjI7JfOrdTOa4Mk-_s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX2dvCisrUAhXmC8AKHb36AdAQ6AEISTAE#v=onepage&q=printing%20duplicate%20typeface&f=false

haven't found a suitable James Kelly printer/compositor though.

[Gary Barnett]

Might have something to do with spare typeface, or maybe something like this :

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pcnMDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA1999-IA172&lpg=PA1999-IA172&dq=printing+duplicate+typeface&source=bl&ots=BA9OxyVcyK&sig=jVvZk0zLUsjI7JfOrdTOa4Mk-_s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX2dvCisrUAhXmC8AKHb36AdAQ6AEISTAE#v=onepage&q=printing%20duplicate%20typeface&f=false

haven't found a suitable James Kelly printer/compositor though.

Thanks, Rob.

[Gary Barnett]

Claybury

I've just received the following rather disappointing email from the Redbridge Heritage Centre:

Dear Mr Barnett,

Please accept our apologies for the delay in replying to your enquiry. Our service has now re-opened to the public and we are only just making our way through the backlog of enquiries. Thank you so much for your patience.

Please note that although we hold a small collection of the surviving archive records relating to Claybury Hospital, the majority of this material was destroyed when the hospital closed. I was, however, successful in finding some records relating to Mr Thomas Fogerty.

Please find below a transcript of the Claybury Hospital records that we hold for Mr Thomas Fogerty (spelt Fogarty in the Claybury records).

Box Ref 420: List of Male Patients 1893-1907
Date of Admission: 1903 19 Jan
Patient No: 3848
Name: Fogarty, Thomas
Parish / County / Borough: St. Georges East
Age: 48
Removed relieved to East Sussex Asylum, Hellingly, 9 Jan 1906

Box Ref 478: Register of Male Patients 1899-1906
Registered Number: 3848
Name: Fogarty, Thomas
Date of Admission: 19 Jan 1903
Nationality: BLANK
Religion: RC
Education: BLANK
T/F from Asylum: BLANK
Class (Pauper / Private / Criminal): BLANK
Age on Admission: 48
Condition as to Marriage: Widow
Duration of Existing Attack: 4 weeks
1st Attack: Yes
Rank / Profession / Occupation: Hawker
Form Insanity Predisposing: T
Form Insanity Exciting: BLANK
Form Insanity: Melancholia
Charegable to Union / Parish / Borough / County: Wandsworth (crossed through), above which it reads in red ink: St. Georges. E
Results and Observations: Discharged relieved Jan 9 1906 to East Sussex Asylum, Hellingly

I do not know what the code ‘T’ means with regards to ‘form of insanity predisposing’ (above). I attach a document regarding Lunacy Codes, but unfortunately this code is not including and system only appears to have been standardised after 1907.

We hope that this information is helpful to your research. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Kind regards,

Dawn
Dawn Galer
Collections Officer
Redbridge Museum & Heritage Centre
Redbridge Central Library, Clements Road, Ilford, Essex IG1 1EA

[Anna Morris]

Could the insanity code T mean DTs? Tremins or tremors? That is a really old term.

[Gary Barnett]

Could the insanity code T mean DTs? Tremins or tremors? That is a really old term.

Could be, Anna.

The first thing that occurred to me was that it might indicate Tertiary (syphillis).

[Jerry Dunlop]

Gary,

Briefly looking at this publication, you might find something in here regarding the "T". I started on Page 38 or so but it gives descriptions of what was on these forms. https://books.google.com/books?id=hP...3A%20T&f=false


Interesting too on page 41, it states lunatics that were blind and in need of a nurses care were inadmissible to Bethlem. Not sure about other asylums.

[Gary Barnett]

Gary,

Briefly looking at this publication, you might find something in here regarding the "T". I started on Page 38 or so but it gives descriptions of what was on these forms. https://books.google.com/books?id=hP...3A%20T&f=false


Interesting too on page 41, it states lunatics that were blind and in need of a nurses care were inadmissible to Bethlem. Not sure about other asylums.

Thanks, Jerry.

This is what Dawn sent me:

http://healtharchives.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/lunacy-codes.pdf

There is a 'Toxic' category which covers alcohol, drugs, TB and syphilis.

[Jerry Dunlop]

Thanks, Jerry.

This is what Dawn sent me:

http://healtharchives.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/lunacy-codes.pdf

There is a 'Toxic' category which covers alcohol, drugs, TB and syphilis.

Thanks Gary,

From your chart the thing that sticks out to me is the word "Terminal" under dementia. Did Fogarty have dementia?

[Jerry Dunlop]

Also from your report on Fogarty is this line above the one in question.

T/F from Asylum: BLANK

Could the T referred to this line be Transfer or something of that sort and relate to the entry below?

[Gary Barnett]

Thanks Gary,

From your chart the thing that sticks out to me is the word "Terminal" under dementia. Did Fogarty have dementia?

He was diagnosed with dementia while in the STGITE infirmary some time before being sent to Claybury, and his cause of death was recorded as pulmonary tb and dementia.

Quite what was meant by dementia I'm not sure.

[Debra Arif]

Very interesting, thanks for posting Gary.
Pearly Poll was admitted to the SGE Infirmary with venereal disease I seem to recall posting somewhere but don't remember where. I think she was Mrs Foggarty by then.

[Gary Barnett]

Very interesting, thanks for posting Gary.
Pearly Poll was admitted to the SGE Infirmary with venereal disease I seem to recall posting somewhere but don't remember where. I think she was Mrs Foggarty by then.

Yes, you did, Debs, that's what made me wonder whether Foggy might have been similarly afflicted.

It's a pity about the Claybury record. I must get off my bum and go to the LMA to see if they have more of his criminal records. FMP have acknowledged that there is a gap in their records and they say their data team are investigating (I won't hold my breath)

[Gary Barnett]

The missing court calendar for the TF conviction in Dec, 1871 is on here.:

https://www.digitalpanopticon.org/search?from=0&e0.type.t.t=root&e0._all.s.s=Thomas+Fogarty+

It does seem to be the same boy who was convicted of stealing the sugar titler in February of that year. His occupation is given as baker.

Thanks, How, for finding that!

[Gary Barnett]

This TF found on Digitalpanopticon is approx the right age:


Thomas Fogarty, aged 26.

23/8/1882 - Received at Chatham Prison (from Millbank).

Tailor/Soldier 2nd Battalion RA

Crime: Escaping from confinement and desertion. Tried at GCM Poona 4/1/1882. Sentence 5 years.

Sentence remitted 10/3/1885

He had been received from 'military' at Portsmouth prison on 4/5/1882 and then transferred to Millbank on 17/5/1882.