Thomas Fogarty

[Gary Barnett]

I'm still trying to define the areas for Thames Police Court and Worship Street Court, but I think because of the location, this was a case for WSC. Most likely the magistrate was Montagu Williams.
I don't know if you already checked before, just in case, if Fogarty could have appeared on those days in the TMC records; I just did, and unfortunately, there is nothing.

It is stated somewhere that he appeared at Worship Street. It didn’t occur to me to check the TPC records for him, but I have been through for that period.

[Jose Oranto]

For anyone not familiar with the reported attack in Spitalfields:

ANOTHER WOMAN STABBED

At five minutes after eleven o’clock yesterday morning a most exciting incident took place. A man suddenly attacked a woman in Spitalfields market while she was passing through. After felling her to the ground with a blow, he began kicking her, and pulled out a knife. Some women who had collected, having the terrible tragedy that brought them there still fresh in their minds, on seeing the knife, raised such piercing screams of “Murder!” do that they reached the enormous crowds in Hanbury Street. There was at once a rush for Commercial-street, where the markets are situate, as it was declared by some that there was another murder, and by others that the murderer had been arrested. Seeing the immense crowd swarming around him, the man who was the cause of the alarm made more furious efforts to reach the woman, from whom he had been separated by some persons, who interfered on her behalf. He, however, threw these on one side, fell upon the woman, knife in hand, and inflicted several stabs on her head, cut her forehead, neck and fingers before was again pulled off. When he was again pulled off, the woman lay motionless - the immense crowd took up the cry of “Murder!” and the people who were on the streets cried “Lynch him!” At this juncture the police arrived, arrested the man, and after a while had the woman conveyed on a stretcher to the station in Commercial-street, where she was examined by the divisional surgeon. She was found to be suffering from several wounds, but none of them were considered to be dangerous. She was subsequently removed to the London hospital where she was detained as an inpatient. Her assailant is described as a blind man, who sells laces in the streets, and whine she led about from place to place. The blind man is said to have an ungovernable temper, and he was seen whilst the woman was leading him along, to stab her several times in the neck. Blood flowed quickly, and it was first thought that another terrible murder had been committed. The affair occurred midway between Buck’s Row and Hanbury Street.

From Lloyd’s Weekly London Newspaper, 9th September, 1888.

I'm still trying to define the areas for Thames Police Court and Worship Street Court, but I think, because of the location, this was a case for WSC. Most likely the magistrate was Montagu Williams.
I don't know if you already checked before, just in case, if Fogarty could have appeared on those days in the TMC records; I just did, and unfortunately, there is nothing.

[Gary Barnett]

On the 10th of September, 1888, two days after the knife attack by the blind beggar on his female guide, a woman was admitted to the London Hospital with an 'incised wound to the cheek.' Her first name was Caroline and she was a 24-year-old dressmaker of 95, Pennington Street. I can't make out her surname (see below, could it be Coals or Crab, maybe?).

The date of admission and the fact that the wound was to the cheek rather than the neck probably rules her out as the beggar's victim, but the address piqued my interest.

Looking for dirt on 95, PS, the only thing I could find was a report from 1876 about the drugging and robbing of two sailors. On their way to the Well Street Sailors' Home the pair had stopped off for a drink and got into conversation with two men named Corbett and Kelly and a couple of women. One of the women handed the sailors a drink and the next thing they knew they found themselves in bed in the Well St Home with all their money and most of their clothes missing.

If you think the two sailors acted pretty naively, listen to the sequel.

The next day, the sailors bumped into Corbett and Kelly in Wells Street and not only did they accept an offer of a drink at the very pub where they had been drugged the night before but they agreed to move out of the Sailors' home, obtain a refund from there and move with their remaining belongings to a boarding house recommended by Corbett at 95, Pennington Street. The sailors paid Corbett and Kelly 5s each out of the 12s refund they had obtained from the Sailors' Home.

Part of the reason they had gone along with Corbett's suggestion of moving to Pennington Street was that he said he might be able to get back half of the money that had been stolen from them. Eventually the two sailors (surely from Greenland) got wise and reported the robbery to the police.

And as an added little point of interest to us, the address Corbett gave in court was 4, North East Passage.

What I seem to have missed when I was looking for ‘dirt’ on 95, Pennington Street was that in June, ‘87, Mr Dwayne (Charles Booth’s researcher) had classified both 95 and 96 as brothels. So it would appear that Caroline Coals may have been another prostitute subjected to a knife attack in 1888. Down by the Highway most likely, so probably not JTR.

[Gary Barnett]

This illustration of the attack by the blind laces seller was printed in the IPN on 22/9/1888.

I hadn’t seen it before, but I just spotted it on the excellent Whitechapel Murders File FB group. Thanks are due to Bruce Collie for posting it there.

[Gary Barnett]

Colonel (later Lieutenant-General) Thomas Nuttall, the man who sent (a) Thomas Fogarty down for a 5-stretch at Poona. He was apparently a renowned shikarry (hunter) with the hogspear. Small world.

[Gary Barnett]

I’m not sure these are all soldier 40869 or that 40869 is our Foggy, though I think both are likely.


Thomas Fogarty Courts Martial


12/11/1874

Woolwich
Desertion/MA kit
168 days hard labour


27/5/1875

Devonport
Insulting language
42 days hard labour


9/3/1878

Sheffield
Breaking from barracks/resisting escort/MA kit/drunk
336 days hard labour


21/2/1879

Sheffield
Desertion/MA kit/Re-enlisting
Fined £1

4/7/1879

Sheffield
Absence/theft and receiving/drunk
168 days hard labour


4/1/1882

Poona (GCM)
Escaping from confinement/desertion
5 years
Transferred from India to Portsmouth (4/5/82), then Millbank (17/5/82) and finally Chatham (27/5/82).

Fogarty was discharged from the RA on the grounds of ‘ignominy’ on 22/5/1882. His 5-year prison sentence was remitted on 10/3/1885.

I can’t seem to access the Chatham and Millbank prison registers that I found a while back. Going via Digital Panopticon, I can only get to transcriptions in FMP.

Chris N reawakened my interest in Fogarty’s antics in India.

And that lead me to this:



Times of India 4th Jan., 1882


Fogarty was presumably one of the soldiers. I wonder if the other was Patrick Linehan?

[Gary Barnett]

When PP was admitted to the STGITE infirmary on 26/8/1888, just three days after appearing at the Tabram inquest, she gave her address as North East Passage. I believe Debra discovered that and posted it on here some time ago. It’s also mentioned in Amanda Harvey Purse’s Martha.

NE Passage was tiny and some distance from Poll’s usual stamping ground. John Satchell, her landlord at 19, George Street, also had a doss-house there. Perhaps that was what attracted Poll. Or possibly she had another connection to that short, narrow alley down by the Ratcliffe Highway. By 1893 she was living there with her husband-to-be, and in 1892 he claimed it had been his base for four years (another of Debs’s great finds).

[Gary Barnett]

Robert, it's "Sequah." I have been trying to find out the identity of this particular "Sequah" but haven't managed to yet. I came across several photographs of him in an archive and was intrigued by his youth and all that amazing hair. He'd have been better off selling Tatcho rather than puling teeth and curing rheumatism.

If you zoom in on the hair and tilt the image to the right, there really does appear to be a cocker spaniel pup asleep on his head.

[Gary Barnett]

I've seen a few Catholic records where the birth date is different on the baptismal record to the birth certificate.
One family I've been looking at this week had children registered with a birth date that was later than the date of their actual baptism!

We are still busy working on the A to Z!

Baptised in the womb, perhaps?

Sorry to jump the gun on the A-Z. It’s a book I am really looking forward to getting my hands on.

[Robert Linford]

Ah yes, Joe did an article on Sequah.


Here's a very similar pic :

https://www.mediastorehouse.com/mary-evans-prints-online/national-archives/sequah-7402197.html

[Debra Arif]

Yes, well done to all.


Debs, hope you don't mind my asking : is that a young David Bowie in your avatar?

Robert, it's "Sequah." I have been trying to find out the identity of this particular "Sequah" but haven't managed to yet. I came across several photographs of him in an archive and was intrigued by his youth and all that amazing hair. He'd have been better off selling Tatcho rather than puling teeth and curing rheumatism.

[Debra Arif]

It’s a name that lends itself to variants, but even so, Forgeteg is a bit of a stretch.

The DOB’s a bit odd, 22/8 rather than the 12/6 of the baptism record, but it’s got to be him.

BTW, I see Mango books are advertising the release of the A-Z in 2020. Has that fact been posted on here? Congrats to you, Paul and Sean on completing it.

I've seen a few Catholic records where the birth date is different on the baptismal record to the birth certificate.
One family I've been looking at this week had children registered with a birth date that was later than the date of their actual baptism!

We are still busy working on the A to Z!

[Robert Linford]

That would make it a Diamond Dog.

[Gary Barnett]

Yes, well done to all.


Debs, hope you don't mind my asking : is that a young David Bowie in your avatar?

And is that a puppy on his head?

[Robert Linford]

Yes, well done to all.


Debs, hope you don't mind my asking : is that a young David Bowie in your avatar?