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  • Might have been a Mrs Jesus

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...script-harvard

    Still not proof but getting there.

  • #2
    Sounds a bit dodgy to me

    The incident in the papyrus sounds like the Apocryphal tale of the disciples asking Jesus why he keeps kissing her on the ....(missing) and question why he spends so much time with her, but which I read as them questioning whether she is a more favoured disciple than them

    There was a hint somewhere that they wanted to hear his every word and were concerned in that way about the amount of private conversation going on between him and Mary - which would be understandable

    They wouldn't have moaned about it if she was his wife

    The legality of marital status was obviously quite different in those days so there might be a misinterpretation of what is meant by the assignation "wife"

    I think the original text described her as Jesus' "companion"

    There's quite a major point here I think as the text describing the kissing is not in the Bible, as it is considered a minor text from about 200 years after Christ, but does hint at Jesus commenting on the equality of women within the faith and the church

    I do consider him handing the keys to Mary Magdalene rather than Peter as a strong possibility, and Paul the Roman had a major part to play in suppressing the equality of women and misinterpreting the Christ's original message (but that approaches Illuminati territory)

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    • #3
      I'll try and find out about the process used to indicate chemical bonding of the ink to the papyrus over time as it might have relevance to the Diary, though very different substances are involved

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      • #4
        Well the diary sort of link sparked my interest.

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        • #5
          Hi String

          This article says the experts think it is a fake, "dodgy" in the words of one commenter - lol

          The authentication so far is described and appears to have been by reference to a photograph, which shows how the story is distorted (ink tests are suggested later)

          The comments about the ink and paper would seem to be based on the colour of the ink and paper in the photos

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml

          "Professor Luijendijk forwarded the pictures to Roger Bagnall, a renowned papyrologist who directs the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World at New York University.

          Known for his conservative assessments of the authenticity and date of ancient papyri, Professor Bagnall nevertheless confirmed that he believed the document was genuine.

          The scribe's dialect and style of handwriting, and the colour and texture of the papyrus, helped them to date it to the second half of the fourth century AD and place its probable origin in upper Egypt"

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          • #6
            I think the importance of the find is not whether Jesus was married or not--it's whether early Xtians ever believed that He was married. It wouldn't be such an issue if it weren't for a few modern sects stubbornly refusing to acknowledge what ever historian and theologian has known for centuries--that Christianity as a faith has developed over time and that there's really no such thing as "original" Christianity.
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            • #7
              Not your regular Biblical Jesus if he was in fact married. It is curious that the Bible gives no hint that he was married if indeed he was, isn't it?
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              • #8
                Original Christianity? How would we know, since what has been handed down to us is Orthodox Christianity, the official version decided upon many centuries ago.

                I'm intrigued by this Mrs Jesus affair - sure its not the first time I've heard something like this - something to do with Gnosticism maybe?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SGerrard View Post
                  Original Christianity? How would we know, since what has been handed down to us is Orthodox Christianity, the official version decided upon many centuries ago.

                  I'm intrigued by this Mrs Jesus affair - sure its not the first time I've heard something like this - something to do with Gnosticism maybe?
                  It's also possible that the translator is not fully understanding what the fragment of writing says.

                  Chris
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
                    Not your regular Biblical Jesus if he was in fact married. It is curious that the Bible gives no hint that he was married if indeed he was, isn't it?
                    It's been pointed out that the Bible refers to Jesus specifically and unironically as a Rabbi. As a Rabbi, He would have been required to be married--to remain unmarried by choice would have been unusual enough to merit comment, if not controversy. So ironically, the fact that the Bible doesn't mention a lack of Mrs. Christ strongly suggests that Jesus' domestic arrangements were normal and above-board--i.e. married.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Magpie View Post
                      It's been pointed out that the Bible refers to Jesus specifically and unironically as a Rabbi. As a Rabbi, He would have been required to be married--to remain unmarried by choice would have been unusual enough to merit comment, if not controversy. So ironically, the fact that the Bible doesn't mention a lack of Mrs. Christ strongly suggests that Jesus' domestic arrangements were normal and above-board--i.e. married.
                      An interesting point, Magpie. Many thanks.

                      Here are some thoughts on the question of Rabbis being required to be married or if they could remain celibate, written by Rabbi Barry Dov Lerner.

                      Chris
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                      Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
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                      • #12
                        The Romans done a hatchet job on the Christian bible in the third century. I do believe that Christ was married and also had several siblings some of whom became his disciples. Jesus was opposed to the Romans, that is why they executed him. The nearest modern parallel would be the French resistance to the Nazis in the 1940's.

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                        • #13
                          I think there is a good chance Jesus was involved with the Essene sect who had very different view on relationships

                          I've seen suggested for example that the High Priests of the Essenes took on the name of the Angels, and the visit of the Archangel Michael to Mary was a ritualised physical one culminating in her pregnancy - with the assent of her betrothed, Joseph

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nemo View Post
                            I think there is a good chance Jesus was involved with the Essene sect who had very different view on relationships

                            I've seen suggested for example that the High Priests of the Essenes took on the name of the Angels, and the visit of the Archangel Michael to Mary was a ritualised physical one culminating in her pregnancy - with the assent of her betrothed, Joseph
                            Weren't the Essenes the guys who were involved in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which themselves give a different versions of the Jesus story than that found in the Gospels?
                            Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
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                            Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                            Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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                            • #15
                              Correct Chris

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