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    We'll start this year off with another helping of Mustard & Cress, the column found in the periodical, Referee...edited by George "Dagonet" Sims.

    This is a very interesting one. To me, its alarming, even with a consideration made for the time in which it happened.
    Sims candidly discusses his collection of photos...and Ripper photograph.

    How did George Sims get his hands on police evidence ?
    Who gave George Sims police evidence ( or a copy of police evidence) for his personal keeping and use ?
    Who else had police evidence only 14 months after Kelly's murder to show to visitors and curiosity seekers ?



    North-Eastern Daily Gazette
    January 07, 1890
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    Good evening Howie, and thank you for the article.

    Maybe this is how the photos got over to France, to be published in a book. Sims gave them to M. Goron, chief of the French detectives.

    Roy

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    • #3
      You're welcome, Roy.

      Another question: When did Sims get his hands on the Ripper victim photograph ?

      I'm wondering whether he had all of the Ripper victim photos, if he had the one he mentions.

      Anyone have any observations on the article ?
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      • #4
        Yes that is interesting How. Hopefully those pictures are still out there somewhere especially the Thames one which I didn't know even existed although it would stand to reason that they would have taken some. I wonder who the lady was since Elizabeth Jackson was certainly no lady.

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          Stanley Dean:

          What is intriguing to me ( I mention this on the other thread ) is that it appears that Sims was showing M. Goron case related photos for the first time....at least thats the way it appears to me.

          It also reminds me of what SPE mentioned some time back here on the boards about Macnaghten in regard to murder victim photos....his interest in those photos...because I suspect Macnaghten was the person who was behind Sims having copies of the photos.
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          • #6
            Ripper Letter Encourages Shakedown

            Too much New Year's cheer for one man.
            It cost him half a year in jail.

            SOMERSET QUARTER SESSION .
            Bristol Mercury and Daily Post
            January 2, 1890
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            • #7
              Sir Melville Macnaghten of course!

              Notice that the Ripper, far from being thought to be dead, or thought to have stopped due to being a 'shrieking, raving fiend' --that any human mind would have to be nearly obliterated by the self-made hell in Millers Ct. -- is yet to be brought to heel.

              The following year Macnaghten fastened on to Druitt, and then in 1899, the police chief gave something else to Sims to go with the mute-porn photos.

              He told Sims that he had been misleading him in 1889, and 1890, and beyond.

              So, Mac let 'Tatcho', as Sims was nicknamed/kidded by his chums after he lent his name to the selling of a hair-restorer, into the 'biggest secret' at the Yard.

              That a select band of Super-cops, which Mac lamented he was too late joining the Force to be one, had zeroed in on a 'Demented Doctor', a Blackheath Jekyll, and were about to arrest him when he became the 'Drowned Doctor'.

              But he was the Ripper -- and what's more he looked just like Sims/Tatcho!

              Actually, if this is what happened, then Mac was misleading Sims in 1899, and the police chief's ignorance of Druitt -- confirmed by his 1914 memoirs --means that he was being honest with 'Dagonet', back in 1890.

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              • #8
                Dear JH:

                I've asked SPE to give the article a look to see if he could think of anyone other than MLM who might have provided Sims with the photograph.
                I agree with you ( at this point ) that it certainly seems like Macnaghten was that person.
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                  5 Quid Or The Cows Ain't Coming Home

                  North Wales Chronicle
                  January 4, 1890
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                    Watching The Docks

                    Bristol Mercury and Daily Post
                    January 8, 1890
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                      False Alarm

                      Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper
                      January 12, 1890
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                      • #12
                        Expecting The Ripper

                        Birmingham Daily Post
                        January 13, 1890
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                          Letter Writer

                          Did the name Albert Bachert come to mind after reading this one ???

                          Aberdeen Weekly Journal
                          January 14, 1890
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                            Alleged Libel

                            It certainly appeared to Bachert that it did refer to him...

                            Birmingham Daily Post
                            January 14, 1890
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                              Victim Dismembered in Austria

                              Dundee Courier & Argus
                              January 14, 1890
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