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  • #16
    Hi Maria

    I think it's already settled that the fleur de lys design is a Foreign Legion badge -- there are examples of the same design on the Google link I showed. The fleur de lys is used in Canada and Louisiana of course because both were at one time French.

    Chris
    Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
      Hi Maria

      I think it's already settled that the fleur de lys design is a Foreign Legion badge -- there are examples of the same design on the Google link I showed. The fleur de lys is used in Canada and Louisiana of course because both were at one time French.

      Chris

      Told ya. Flippin' invisble. (no, not yours)

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      • #18
        Visited the link, but it could still be some imitation Canadian/Southern US thing?
        And no, Debs, you're not invisible. You the backbone of Ripperology.

        For the fascist stuff, there's also the Museum of criminology "Cesare Lombroso". http://www.museounito.it/lombroso/default.html
        Email address on the site. They'll speak English. Not sure if they work with badges though, whereas the Paris Police Museum carries a substantial badges collection, military too.

        PS.: BTW, did it work out with Glenda?
        Best regards,
        Maria

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        • #19
          Maria, I appreciated the name but have been delayed by various projects in getting in touch with her but will do so soon.

          Chris
          Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
          https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

          Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
          Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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          • #20
            It's a grenade...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Nemo View Post
              It's a grenade...
              Well I thought at first that it is like the grenadier badges but it's not if you google that. Or maybe you were being funny?
              Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
              https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

              Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
              Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Nemo View Post
                It's a grenade...
                Fleur de lis was the nearest thing I could think of to describe it before I saw it was called a grenade emblem.
                A grenade disguised as a fleur de lis.

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                • #23
                  Ze BF just sent me an email an hour ago from NZ's South Island (wherever that is) and just emailed him the pic, asking both about fleur de lys vs. grenade and if the one downstairs looks to him as military.

                  He's got a room full of special lit and military artifacts in Berlin, so hope he can give some pertinent info. Plus has compadres/specialists who might know.

                  Only no idea how long his internet connection will hold.

                  The "fascist" one (left) I might be able to get corroboration from my boss.
                  Best regards,
                  Maria

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                  • #24
                    To pinpoint further, the colour of the French Foreign Legion badge marks it as "infantry"--a silver badge would be "cavalry".
                    "The Men who were not the Man who was not Jack the Ripper!"

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                    • #25
                      I'm sure it's a flaming grenade, nothing to do with a fleur de lis which is a stylised flower- a lily

                      I can see a resemblance though

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Nemo View Post
                        I'm sure it's a flaming grenade, nothing to do with a fleur de lis which is a stylised flower- a lily

                        I can see a resemblance though
                        Yes but the Fleur-de-lis is ancient the emblem of France, an obvious choice for the French Foreign Legion, although I will concede that the insignia might serve the double function of resemblng a flaming grenade.
                        Christopher T. George, Lyricist & Co-Author, "Jack the Musical"
                        https://www.facebook.com/JackTheMusical/ Hear sample song at https://tinyurl.com/y8h4envx.

                        Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conferences, April 2016 and 2018.
                        Hear RipperCon 2016 & 2018 talks at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Nemo View Post
                          I'm sure it's a flaming grenade, nothing to do with a fleur de lis which is a stylised flower- a lily

                          I can see a resemblance though
                          It is, its a flaming grenade and a few different regiments had their own version of them.
                          I called it a fleur de lis originally because I didn't know then it was a grenade emblem and FDL was the nearest thing I could think of to describe it so people would know which badge I was saying was foreign legion..

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
                            Yes but the Fleur-de-lis is ancient the emblem of France, an obvious choice for the French Foreign Legion, although I will concede that the insignia might serve the double function of resemblng a flaming grenade.
                            I actually think it might be a clever bit of design in that case, representing a flaming grenade but in the style of a fleur de lis. Genius.

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                            • #29
                              After checking, it is a grenade--some older versions have the "grenade" part green with the "flame" part as red, so it looks much more like a grenade.

                              My dad collects army badges (UK only) and specializes in London Artillery, but also in various grenadier badges. Usually the grenadier badges feature a semi-circular fan of flames, and a much larger pot than the FFL seem to have adopted, so I don't think it's a stretch to assume that they were deliberately trying to evoke the fleur-di-lis in the design. It is a beautiful insignia.

                              Btw, the one in the picture is a second pattern cap-badge, in use up to 1990
                              "The Men who were not the Man who was not Jack the Ripper!"

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                              • #30
                                Here another Legion badge--can anyone think of who this might scare the bejeezus batcrap out of?

                                "The Men who were not the Man who was not Jack the Ripper!"

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