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  • Maria Birbili
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    A couple weeks ago my French friend posted the badges in question on an internet forum for specialists on uniforms and military attire.

    I'm sorry to report that the specialists on that forum have been fighting for weeks without coming to a conclusion, though most of them are seeing ALL three badges as of French provenance. The left, supposedly Italian fascist one has been recognized as connected to the French Sénat.

    Problem is, the symbols on the badges have been copied and used again and again through history.

    The simplest solution suggested was for John to check out if there are inscriptions behind the badges. ;-)

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  • Maria Birbili
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    Just got 7 emails in a row and Frrenchie now claims "Sorry my connexion was so bad the images didn't load properly in the last B&B so I just went by your fleur de lys description...It's more of a grenade actually."
    When back in Europe, he can ask his compadres for a specialist on uniforms and badges.

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  • Maria Birbili
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    It's getting complicated! Mr Frrrenchie emailed me earlier today from his travels and says it doesn't look like a fleur de lys or authentic French symbol to him. I'm about to email him 2 French Légion étrangère symbols from the Google link Chris George and Debs referred to. He's actually a specialist for military vehicles (from tanks to planes), but he should have a notion about badges.
    He recently visited the Wahine disaster memorial in Seatown near Wellington http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahine_disaster (which incidentally is his nickname for me, lol).

    The "fascist" badge I'll try to find an Italian specialist to ask (maybe through my boss), but it'll require a couple days to weeks.

    For the person who said the one in the bottom features Greek letters, I'm seeing the Chi but not a Ro, Alpha, or Omega. Looks more like a set of tools to me.

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  • Paul Kearney A.K.A. NEMO
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    Deb's right though, I think it's been styled in a French manner - resembling the fleur de lis

    Sorry if my previous posts appeared a bit blunt, I was trying to post from a Kindle

    I think a decent phone would be better....

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  • Magpie
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    Here another Legion badge--can anyone think of who this might scare the bejeezus batcrap out of?

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  • Magpie
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    After checking, it is a grenade--some older versions have the "grenade" part green with the "flame" part as red, so it looks much more like a grenade.

    My dad collects army badges (UK only) and specializes in London Artillery, but also in various grenadier badges. Usually the grenadier badges feature a semi-circular fan of flames, and a much larger pot than the FFL seem to have adopted, so I don't think it's a stretch to assume that they were deliberately trying to evoke the fleur-di-lis in the design. It is a beautiful insignia.

    Btw, the one in the picture is a second pattern cap-badge, in use up to 1990

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  • Debra Arif
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    Originally posted by Chris G. View Post
    Yes but the Fleur-de-lis is ancient the emblem of France, an obvious choice for the French Foreign Legion, although I will concede that the insignia might serve the double function of resemblng a flaming grenade.
    I actually think it might be a clever bit of design in that case, representing a flaming grenade but in the style of a fleur de lis. Genius.

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  • Debra Arif
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    Originally posted by Nemo View Post
    I'm sure it's a flaming grenade, nothing to do with a fleur de lis which is a stylised flower- a lily

    I can see a resemblance though
    It is, its a flaming grenade and a few different regiments had their own version of them.
    I called it a fleur de lis originally because I didn't know then it was a grenade emblem and FDL was the nearest thing I could think of to describe it so people would know which badge I was saying was foreign legion..

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  • Chris G.
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    Originally posted by Nemo View Post
    I'm sure it's a flaming grenade, nothing to do with a fleur de lis which is a stylised flower- a lily

    I can see a resemblance though
    Yes but the Fleur-de-lis is ancient the emblem of France, an obvious choice for the French Foreign Legion, although I will concede that the insignia might serve the double function of resemblng a flaming grenade.

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  • Paul Kearney A.K.A. NEMO
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    I'm sure it's a flaming grenade, nothing to do with a fleur de lis which is a stylised flower- a lily

    I can see a resemblance though

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  • Magpie
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    To pinpoint further, the colour of the French Foreign Legion badge marks it as "infantry"--a silver badge would be "cavalry".

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  • Maria Birbili
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    Ze BF just sent me an email an hour ago from NZ's South Island (wherever that is) and just emailed him the pic, asking both about fleur de lys vs. grenade and if the one downstairs looks to him as military.

    He's got a room full of special lit and military artifacts in Berlin, so hope he can give some pertinent info. Plus has compadres/specialists who might know.

    Only no idea how long his internet connection will hold.

    The "fascist" one (left) I might be able to get corroboration from my boss.

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  • Debra Arif
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    Originally posted by Nemo View Post
    It's a grenade...
    Fleur de lis was the nearest thing I could think of to describe it before I saw it was called a grenade emblem.
    A grenade disguised as a fleur de lis.

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  • Chris G.
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    Originally posted by Nemo View Post
    It's a grenade...
    Well I thought at first that it is like the grenadier badges but it's not if you google that. Or maybe you were being funny?

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  • Paul Kearney A.K.A. NEMO
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    It's a grenade...

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