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  • #61
    If I catch it, my age, gender and medical condition are all against me.


    However, on a lighter note, the Govt may outlaw gatherings of more than 500 people - which will still allow West Ham home games.

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    • #62
      Do be careful, Robert.

      I have been thinking today of what I actually buy at stores and what I will run out of. Fresh milk products for one. At the moment I am in Oregon not far from the guy who got sick.

      It seems like a lot of people must be infected but not show symptoms and others must get infected without symptoms and then down the line someone gets it and gets sick enough to notice. Maybe. No way am I going to a big store in this part of Oregon. Maybe the locally owned corner stores would have less risk.

      In any event, I could eat for a year without buying anything. One of the cats just killed a mouse she doesn't want to eat, so with enterprising pets, protein should be no problem.* There is an irrigation ditch across my ranch and I plan a big garden.

      *Actually my freezers are filled with game meat and fish. But if I run out maybe the cats will contribute...........
      The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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      • #63
        The real crunch will be Halloween, Anna. If children don't catch it but their parents do


        DOORBELL. DOOR OPENED.


        KID (HOLDING UP HIS DAD'S HANKY) Trick or treat!

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        • #64
          We are off to our local supermarket tonight for our weekly shop, so I'll report back if I see any obvious shortages. Mr Brown of Sidmouth seems only to be concerned about buying enough cat food for our Monty. Not sure why, as he brought in a large rodent recently and we found the regurgitated remains of a bird outside the back door. We also found a perfectly formed little kidney in our Scrabble room. He won't go hungry. My main concern is whether there will be any vanilla vodka left on the shelves. I've nearly run out. It could probably double up as a hand sanitiser if I run out of soap and get desperate.

          My late ma-in-law, who was in her eighties, caught 'normal' flu in January 2017, which turned to pneumonia in hospital, after which her kidneys packed up, so I assumed - probably wrongly - that it was the pneumonia that caused her kidneys and other organs to fail, rather than the flu virus itself. Is there a doctor in the house?

          Love,

          Caz
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          • #65
            Howard will be testing a new vaccine in the next few days, after which human trials will commence.

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            • #66
              A scrapple a day keeps the virus away?

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              • #67
                Well, it was said in the nineteenth century that the sewer scavengers, or 'toshers,' had better health than their neighbours.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                  The real crunch will be Halloween, Anna. If children don't catch it but their parents do


                  DOORBELL. DOOR OPENED.


                  KID (HOLDING UP HIS DAD'S HANKY) Trick or treat!
                  Hilarious as always!

                  In reply to Caz, I just read an article about why respiratory illnesses, including flu and this new one, cause organ failure. These viruses in the lungs destroy tissue which leads to inflammation. The alveoli, small sacks where oxygen is exchanged are destroyed and may fill with fluid. The body is starved for oxygen which causes more inflammation and major organs like kidneys and liver fail.

                  I just discovered that the reporting system seems to be a bit weird. It has been reported for a few days that Oregon has three cases of this stuff. Apparently cases are not confirmed until the tests are sent to the CDC for a correct reading or something. Until then they are 'presumptive' cases. TODAY, Oregon's governor is announcing Oregon's first case. Meanwhile the Oregonian who is in the Walla Walla hospital is in Washington. I don't know if he counts as Oregon or Washington but the Oregon casino is shut down for decontamination.
                  The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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                  • #69
                    I read that testing in the US is not free. Is this true Anna?

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                    • #70
                      That's correct, String.
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                      • #71
                        I’m not trying to start a discussion around free health care vs insurance based health care but in this case I think if the tests are free more people will come forward making it easier to identify infected people.
                        Perhaps a Government funded scheme would help.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by String View Post
                          Im not trying to start a discussion around free health care vs insurance based health care but in this case I think if the tests are free more people will come forward making it easier to identify infected people.
                          Perhaps a Government funded scheme would help.
                          Apparently there are not enough tests to go around. I think if there were, emergency funds would cover mass testing. As I noted in an earlier post, it seems that the tests can yield a "presumptive" positive but they have to be sent to the CDC for a final determination which seems to take a couple days or so. Meanwhile, some folks have showed false negatives, been released from quarantine and then become ill and tested positive. So it does not look like a fast test. It may not be an accurate test. It is said there are not enough test kits for the sick. I have no idea how the tests work but assume it is a genetic test.

                          Very early on, a source claimed that many Chinese children tested positive but were never ill and never showed symptoms. I have no idea how many were tested or what test was used. Apparently young children and young adults have little risk of severe illness so I am wondering if all these "outbreaks" of unknown, not connected to China/Italy/Iran/S. Korea/bats/snakes/pangolins illnesses may have been spread by young adults who got it from other young adults who, several encounters back, were exposed to someone with a recognizable connection to something?

                          I wish the tests were more available and more widely used but I think they have not developed enough test kits.
                          The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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                          • #73
                            String:

                            Here's a recent article concerning testing costs.

                            https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/h...uninsured.html
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                            • #74
                              Viral illness prevention tip from Idaho: (online humor)

                              Wash your hands like you are going to put in your contact lenses after just field dressing an elk.

                              (Elk=> Looks like red deer, acts like red deer, probably tastes like red deer but we call 'em elk. If any other terms are obscure, suffice to say a version of this advice would have been appropriate for JtR during the Autumn of Terror, except contact lenses were not invented yet.)

                              HERE'S REAL ADVICE=> These are things we learned in nurse's training and they are important. When washing hands, leave the water running. Dry with paper towels then use those towels to shut off the water. Discard towels. (Point: Handles and faucets are likely contaminated with germs and will re-contaminate washed hands.)

                              When possible, open doors with elbows. (I had a doctor's appt. today and the door handles were kind of bar-things which could be opened with an elbow. I also wore a kind of baggy sweater so the door without a good handle I opened with a fold of the sleeve in my hand.)

                              CURIOUS=> There are a number of reports about supplies of face masks running out even though experts say the masks do little if any good to prevent viral infection. If hand washing is the most important element, why are not people advised to wear disposable surgical gloves in public or to at least have tissues or paper towels with which to grasp door knobs, elevator buttons, etc.? Discard immediately after.
                              The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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                              • #75
                                Here is a little paragraph from a NPR article dated today. Note the mention of more labs being trained to handle the test. I think it is not a question of cost with the tests but in availability, the ability to process them and the accuracy. All deaths are in Washington state but fortunately 800 miles north of my location. But there is a patient in Walla Walla who got sick 150 miles north...

                                Meanwhile it looks like our states quickly declare disasters if there are a few cases. Disaster declaration brings in federal money. In these cases, IMO, "disaster" says little about the number of cases or threats to populace.
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