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  • Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
    But Gary, if you're saying that Robbie the Loony could have been Robert's son, would a son of a father so rich have a master?
    Er... Where did I say that?

    Robert's son Robert was a Brasenose-educated reverend gentleman, I think.

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    • I dare say he was, Gary, and he died in 1852 in the course of his duties. But the loony had a master, with whom he had lived nine years :


      NOTTINGHAM REVIEW 3oth March 1832
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      • Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
        I dare say he was, Gary, and he died in 1852 in the course of his duties. But the loony had a master, with whom he had lived nine years :


        NOTTINGHAM REVIEW 3oth March 1832
        Yes, I saw that. A very unpleasant case.

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        • Michael Wildbore, in whose household FJ was living in 1871 was shown on the census as a 'victualler'. However in a trade directory he is listed as a 'school master, parish clerk and vict of the Dog and Gun'.

          His place of birth was Billesden, not far from Tilton.

          In his will Robert Wildbore of Tilton mentions real estate in Billesdon.

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          • Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
            Michael Wildbore, in whose household FJ was living in 1871 was shown on the census as a 'victualler'. However in a trade directory he is listed as a 'school master, parish clerk and vict of the Dog and Gun'.

            His place of birth was Billesden, not far from Tilton.

            In his will Robert Wildbore of Tilton mentions real estate in Billesdon.
            In 1851 he was described as a 'victualler, schoolmaster and grazier'

            This looks like his 1815 baptism:


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            Looks like he was Fred J's father's twin.

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            • Thank you Gary and Robert,

              You guys have been busy. Gary, I thought Frederick John's father's name was George and his mother was named Mather?

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              • There's a baptism in Billesdon 1815 for Michael Wildebore and twin brother Francis - parents Henry Sikes Wildebore, a butcher, and Elizabeth.


                I think Francis married Mary Young in 1838 and Frederick was one of their children.


                Michael Wildbore in 1851 was a schoolmaster, victualler plus a grazier occupying 10 acres.

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                • Gary, snap.

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                  • Robert,

                    Great minds...

                    Jerry,

                    I've been working from an Ancestry tree that has FJ's parents as Francis and Mary (Young, as Robert says below).

                    Francis was an innkeeper who had businesses in Wisbech and Stamford and a twin brother named Michael. Obviously a troubled soul, it seems he committed suicide in Bury St. Edmunds in1864. That all ties up nicely with what we've garnered about FJ.

                    Gary

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                    • I hope this is legible.

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                      From the Bury and Norwich Post...etc 11th October 1864.

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                      • Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
                        I hope this is legible.

                        From the Bury and Norwich Post...etc 11th October 1864.
                        Thanks Gary,

                        That answers my question on why he was living with his uncle Michael in 1871, and not his family. Must have been strange living with the man that may have looked identical to your father who committed suicide a few years back.

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                        • Originally posted by Jerry Dunlop View Post
                          Thanks Gary,

                          That answers my question on why he was living with his uncle Michael in 1871, and not his family. Must have been strange living with the man that may have looked identical to your father who committed suicide a few years back.
                          A recipe for a rather disturbed young mind...

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                          • Just a little update from a post I made on Casebook. I just found Richard Lawrence, the only other man in the vault on Monday with Wildbore, was living in 1881 a block off Regents Canal at Camden Lock, Chalk Farm. In 1888 he was living in Sterndale Road (now Condell Road) about a half mile south east of Battersea Park. Now I wonder if the two men might have been in on this together?

                            Lawrence was born in Waltham, Berkshire in 1855.

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                            • From the Reading Mercury ...etc 27th March, 1880

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                              I think this is Richard Lawrence's old man.

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                              • I agree.

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