Good points, Mike....thanks.
I would opt for this murder being a 'one-off' murder due to his behavior at the Glenmore Hotel at this point in time. On the other hand, he could have asked Brown to go down an alley and lift her skirt like Ali had done with one woman ( not sure if it was Alice Sullivan) to and she told him no....and then it was decided to go indoors. By going down an alley, that would reduce the number of people who had seen him with her. He would have had to be present with Brown in front of Miniter to pay for the room. To me, that he allowed himself to be seen by as many people as he had sort of diminishes the likelihood of him being a multiple murderer.
I don't recall whether there were any other murders involving post-mortem mutilation AND a prostitute in 1891 or 1892 in the metropolitan New York area, Mike.
Let me run this by you because it's one of my top motives for C. Kniclo ( I know I asked about Ali).
Here's a guy who gets a day off during the workweek. He goes to Manhattan and schleps through the LES. He goes from bar to bar... He eventually, after a lot of drinking, hooks up with Brown
at Spekeman's Saloon. They have a few snorts and since it's getting late ( You have to wonder whether he intended to take Friday off. Did he plan on staying the night in the hotel ? Something for us to consider later on), he and Brown take Room 31.
After he's spent the day drinking...spent time with Brown ( indeterminate amount of time), spent money on her, paid for the room and a tin can full of ale....when they get to the room, she decides
she's gonna go to sleep. Now this would piss a lot of men off....but even more so if the guy had planned and taken on a day off from work, spent his money and time on a prostitute and then at
the last moment, she decides to nod out. No telling what some guys will do in that situatio.... but it happens and in the C.Kniclo/Brown liaison, it might have.
He may have gone there with an intent to kill...yet I think it might have been down to a woman in her late fifties being too pooped to pop one final time that morning after a typical day of insufficient diet and a sufficient amount of alcohol.
One thing, Mike, I wished we knew is whether that 'X' on the wall from the NY Evening World sketch was put there on the morning of the murder, Even though the various newspapers did collect
a lot of data from the case there doesn't seem to be any acknowledgement one way or the other from people who should have known (Corcoran, Thompson, Jennings, maybe even Fitzgerald). Not that the 'X' was necessarily symbolic of something but I'd like to know whether it was old or recently made.
I'll get back to the Ali motive later on. I don't buy the motive the prosecution attributed to Ali. Just wondering what you thought of it.
I would opt for this murder being a 'one-off' murder due to his behavior at the Glenmore Hotel at this point in time. On the other hand, he could have asked Brown to go down an alley and lift her skirt like Ali had done with one woman ( not sure if it was Alice Sullivan) to and she told him no....and then it was decided to go indoors. By going down an alley, that would reduce the number of people who had seen him with her. He would have had to be present with Brown in front of Miniter to pay for the room. To me, that he allowed himself to be seen by as many people as he had sort of diminishes the likelihood of him being a multiple murderer.
I don't recall whether there were any other murders involving post-mortem mutilation AND a prostitute in 1891 or 1892 in the metropolitan New York area, Mike.
Let me run this by you because it's one of my top motives for C. Kniclo ( I know I asked about Ali).
Here's a guy who gets a day off during the workweek. He goes to Manhattan and schleps through the LES. He goes from bar to bar... He eventually, after a lot of drinking, hooks up with Brown
at Spekeman's Saloon. They have a few snorts and since it's getting late ( You have to wonder whether he intended to take Friday off. Did he plan on staying the night in the hotel ? Something for us to consider later on), he and Brown take Room 31.
After he's spent the day drinking...spent time with Brown ( indeterminate amount of time), spent money on her, paid for the room and a tin can full of ale....when they get to the room, she decides
she's gonna go to sleep. Now this would piss a lot of men off....but even more so if the guy had planned and taken on a day off from work, spent his money and time on a prostitute and then at
the last moment, she decides to nod out. No telling what some guys will do in that situatio.... but it happens and in the C.Kniclo/Brown liaison, it might have.
He may have gone there with an intent to kill...yet I think it might have been down to a woman in her late fifties being too pooped to pop one final time that morning after a typical day of insufficient diet and a sufficient amount of alcohol.
One thing, Mike, I wished we knew is whether that 'X' on the wall from the NY Evening World sketch was put there on the morning of the murder, Even though the various newspapers did collect
a lot of data from the case there doesn't seem to be any acknowledgement one way or the other from people who should have known (Corcoran, Thompson, Jennings, maybe even Fitzgerald). Not that the 'X' was necessarily symbolic of something but I'd like to know whether it was old or recently made.
I'll get back to the Ali motive later on. I don't buy the motive the prosecution attributed to Ali. Just wondering what you thought of it.
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