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    Would a name like Andersen Jungstedt float ? Possibly the name Andersen was assumed to be the surname and Jungstedt misinterpreted by the cops as being Yungstreet ?
    -HB-
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    Anderson could work as a first name also. If it's a typo, I was also thinking maybe the name Yungstreet is August or Augustin.

    There's plenty of seaman's records for Frank Anderson, including probable ones for him at the Seaman's Hospital in London in 1891 and 92. Right now, I have a possible Swedish record for him with the name Frans August Andersson.


    So "Yungstreet Andersen", who said he was there at the hotel the night of the murder, might be worth a thread, with "Frank Anderson" thrown in.

    -M. Franzoi-

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  • #2
    Thanks for starting the thread, Howard. Here’s the link to your file with the Yungstreet Anderson story.

    https://www.jtrforums.com/filedata/fetch?id=590183

    Since we haven't identified "Youngstreet Andersen", I'll start with Frank Anderson and I'll give a rough timeline, giving the genealogical information rated from possible to definite.

    PS I eliminated Frank August Anderson in favour of this Frank Anderson (no middle name). He has a sister named Augusta but his father’s last name is the patronymic Johannson. Johannes could work as an alias that gets reported as Yungstreet.


    Frank Anderson


    1858
    Definite
    Sweden, Houshold Examination Books, 1880-1930

    View RecordBorn Hoby, Blekinje, Sweden 28 Oct 1858View Record View Record

    Seamens' House Ledgers

    View Record Frans Anderson Born 1858 Birth Parish: Hobby, Blekinge County (also recorded incorrectly as Gothenburg and Bohus counties)
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    1880
    Definite
    Sweden population Census 1880

    Occupation: Farmhand

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/?EndastDi...8&tab=post#tab


    1881-1885
    Definite
    Seamens' House Ledgers

    Enlisted 1881-06-15 in Härnösand
    Canceled? 1881-09-26 in Härnösand
    Enlisted 1881-09-26 in Härnösand
    Disembarked 1882-10-03 in Honfleur (Rymd)
    Dismissed 1885 (Disembarked)
    Ship: Amalia
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    .

    1886
    Definite
    Sweden, Houshold Examination Books, 1880-1930


    Aug 13, 1886, he requested a permit to take a job as a sailor.


    1886-1887
    Probable
    All Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935
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    View Record ...Frank Anderson ....abt 1858 Sweden.... Bedford Dep. Voyage 11 Nov 1886
    Joined Nov 10 1886 Rotterdam
    Discharged Jan 6, 1887, NY, Deserted
    Rotterdam, Netherlands to London via US
    Ship arrival in London March 2, 1887
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    .
    1889-91
    Possible
    All Ireland, Crew Lists and Shipping Agreements, 1863-1920
    View Record F Anderson 1855 Gothenburg Ship Antrim Joined: Dec 5, 1889 London
    Disch. Jan 22, 1891 Hull
    Last Ship Aigburth, London Liverpool 1889
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    .
    1891
    Definite
    All Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935
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    .
    View Record ...Frank Anderson.... abt 1857 Sweden.... Mary Frazer
    [Mary Fraser]
    Voyage Dep. 9 Jan 1891 Dieppe
    Joined: Feb 11 * 1891 London
    Discharge: April 21, 1891 NY Deserted
    Dieppe, France to Bremerhaven via UK and US,
    Ship arrival Germany July 27
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    .
    * Ship Mary Fraser (not whaling ship Mary Frazer with a z)

    Feb 10 Arrived London

    Feb 12 Departed London

    Feb 15 Passed Isle of Wight

    April 20 Arrived NY


    1891
    Probable
    London

    All England,Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital (London) Admissions and Discharges, 1826-1930
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    View Record Frank Anderson ...abt 1858 Sweden From Whitby sailing barge Clara 2 Sep 1891 to 16 Sep Hydrocele much relieved
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    .
    Probable
    Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Agreements and Crew Lists, Series II.

    View Record Ship: Tarpeia; Official number: 72665. J Stevenson; rank/rating, Master

    Frank Anderson; rank/rating, Able Seaman; age, 33; place of birth, Sweden; previous ship, Clara of Whitby.


    1892
    Probable
    London

    All England,Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital (London) Admissions and Discharges, 1826-1930
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    View Record Frank Anderson ...abt 1858 Sweden From port London ship Bluestar 20 Jun 1892 to 9 Nov 1893 Necrosis of Skule For Work 508 days convalescent 73 days
    1899
    Definite

    Sweden, Houshold Examination Books, 1880-1930

    "Whereabouts Unknown"

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    • #3
      One thing I've learned is that Frank Anderson's ship arrived in London on Feb 10th, 1891, where he got on the next day, and it arrived in NY sometime around the middle of February at the earliest until April 21st. I don't know if he actually deserted on that day or that's when he was reported as awol after a period of time had passed but the ship probably arrived sometime around if not on April 21. (P.S. She arrived in New York on April 20, 1891, Liverpool Mercury Apr 22 p.7)

      Apparently, Frank Anderson was part of a group of about 10 sailors who signed on in London on Feb 11 and deserted in New York on April 21st, including Scandinavians, a Londoner, a New Brunswicker and someone from Falmouth, England. They had to hire a whole new crew on June 2nd. So I think the ship was in the harbor for a long time, perhaps from late April to early June.

      Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935, Key Word "Mary Frazer" (sic)

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      • #4
        Nice work, Mark.
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        • #5
          If Frank Anderson is George Damon's Frank, then I'd have Damon hanging out in the bars with all the Popeyes who had just jumped ship in NY on or around the 21st. And he might have hired that group to do the grading job at his country home in NJ. It was only a temporary job after all.

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          • #6
            Mark:

            According to Damon, after 'Frank' completed his original task ( grading ), he then hired him on to do more work.
            What was once temporary had now turned into further employment.
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            • #7
              What was once temporary had now turned into further employment.

              The other hires would have been dismissed after the short term job. Now that I think about it, if you're hiring someone to stay and work on your home property, then you would want people that would "desert".

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              • #8
                Do you think Frank would have been able to escape the "dragnet"? They rounded up about a dozen including one named "Henry Young" and an unnamed man from the steamer Philadelphia.
                ​​​​​ Manitoba Daily Free Press
                Winnipeg, Canada
                27 April 1891

                SEARCHING FOR JACK
                THE POLICE DRAG NET SWEEPING NEW YORK'S SLUMS
                About a Dozen Possible Murderers Have Been Rounded Up by Inspector Byrnes and His Men - The Murdered Woman
                https://www.casebook.org/press_repor...ss/910427.html

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                • #9
                  What was once temporary had now turned into further employment.

                  The other hires would have been dismissed after the short term job. Now that I think about it, if you're hiring someone to stay and work on your home property, then you would want people that would "desert".

                  Mark...I don't follow....the underlined part.
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                  Do you think Frank would have been able to escape the "dragnet"?


                  IF Glenmore Man was the murderer, yes I do. He had an eight hour head start on the police. When Jennings entered the Oak Street Station and told the cops what had gone down, it had been 7 1/2- 8 hours since the murder. He'd have been able to get to Cranford around 3:30 A.M on the Central Jersey Railroad. according to a bona fide expert on Cranford train times in the 1890's....a pal of mine in Cranford named Berne Wagenblast.
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                  • #10
                    I added a couple of more possible crew records for Frank Anderson (year of birth given as 55 or 56 instead of 58 or 57).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
                      The other hires would have been dismissed after the short term job. Now that I think about it, if you're hiring someone to stay and work on your home property, then you would want people that would "desert".

                      Mark...I don't follow....the underlined part.
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                      Do you think Frank would have been able to escape the "dragnet"?


                      IF Glenmore Man was the murderer, yes I do. He had an eight hour head start on the police. When Jennings entered the Oak Street Station and told the cops what had gone down, it had been 7 1/2- 8 hours since the murder. He'd have been able to get to Cranford around 3:30 A.M on the Central Jersey Railroad. according to a bona fide expert on Cranford train times in the 1890's....a pal of mine in Cranford named Berne Wagenblast.
                      I meant that you'd want these hired guests to leave at some point. So hiring "deserters" doesn't necessarily go against one's better judgement.

                      As for the dragnet, it was still going on three days later. If Frank is the killer and he hightailed it to NJ on the 24th but then left NJ on the 25th and went back to NY, he'd be right in the middle of it. Yungstreet Anderson was reported arrested on the afternoon of the 26th.

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                      • #12
                        Mark;

                        The manhunt went on into May. I located an article from May 7 or 8 where an Edwin Smith was picked up because he resembled C. Kniclo/Glenmore Man. ...

                        Third post :

                        https://www.jtrforums.com/forum/the-...ort#post587250


                        but then left NJ on the 25th and went back to NY, he'd be right in the middle of it. Yungstreet Anderson was reported arrested on the afternoon of the 26th.

                        Not a bad idea, to be sure....but according to Damon, the Farmhand stuck around for 5 ( one report stated 10) days. Even if he had left 5 days later, the manhunt was still underway,. One of Byrne's men, might have been O'Connor or either McCluskey, went to New Haven, Connecticut to check into someone and Byrnes contacted Washington, D. C. about something...possibly the 'Riggs Hotel' letter writer. Not certain if that's the reason, but Byrnes had received missives from someone in D.C. before the last Riggs Hotel letter was mentioned in the papers.. Posted just to show that the NYPD were taking C. Kniclo seriously, if not as seriously as they were Ali...

                        I've always felt that CKniclo/Glenmore Man left earlier than Damon said....but objectively, he may have stuck around if pay day was 5 days from the 24th.

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                        • #13
                          I've always felt that CKniclo/Glenmore Man left earlier than Damon said....but objectively, he may have stuck around if pay day was 5 days from the 24th.

                          I feel the same way too now. Frank could have left right away the next day, the 24th, because he didn't want to have to face anyone and their suspicions. Damon could have been mistaken or outright lied when he said Frank left 5 to 10 days later.

                          Damon could have pushed the "desertion" date ahead as he could have pushed the hiring date back a month to muddy the waters and distance himself from the events so they can't be verified with details that could make him look bad. Then again, he could of forgot. The main thing is to be able to discard elements of Damon's fishy timeline.

                          That's why Frank Anderson who arrived in NY 3 days before the murder and Yungstreet Anderson who was arrested two days after remain viable.

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                          • #14
                            The main thing is to be able to discard elements of Damon's fishy timeline.

                            Not only is the timeline fishy, at least to us, but significant mnemonical lapses and a boatload of excuses for not coming forward in 1891 are definite issues worth re-examining. Don't worry, I do it every day, eight days a week.
                            Taking that timeline apart is always a priority with me.

                            That's why Frank Anderson who arrived in NY 3 days before the murder and Yungstreet Anderson who was arrested two days after remain viable.

                            Agreed, Mark. Many people can escape the long arm of the law by the way they present themselves and especially if they're accustomed to being braced by cops. Most of the sailors and habitues of the Lower East Side docks had either been in jail or had a run-in which nearly put them in jail. It's the nature of the beast..


                            One serious internal issue with the Damon story is that when he went home on the 24th after work is that he knew of the murder along with the fact his farmhand had gotten shit face somewhere...almost certainly, in Damon's mind, in Manhattan.

                            I think it's highly likely that the thought occurred to Damon that the Farmhand might have been in the vicinity of where the murder happened in consideration to the time the crime occurred and the time the farmhand had returned to safe as milk Cranford.



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                            • #15
                              Here's the information I got on Frank Anderson from the Sailors House Records.

                              Anderson, Frans
                              Sailor's house - ledger

                              Name Anderson, Frans
                              Date of birth 1858
                              Birth parish Hobby
                              Home parish Hobby
                              Marital status: Unmarried
                              Sailor's House Härnösand
                              Registration number79
                              Rent / salary SEK 20
                              Position / ProfessionJungman
                              Enlisted 1881-09-26 in Härnösand
                              Disembarked 1882-10-03 in Honfleur (Rymd)
                              NameAmalia (Ship)
                              Home Port Härnösand
                              Destination Palma
                              Registerton308.04
                              Kapten J.E. Nyberg
                              Other Enl. the roll also signed on 1882-11-10 with signature.
                              ArchiveSjömanshusets i Härnösand arkiv (SE / HLA / 1170004)
                              Volume EIII: 31
                              Established by the National Archives SVAR-Swedish archive information

                              https://sok.riksarkivet.se/sjomanshu...2&tab=post#tab

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