'Yungstreet Andersen' / Frank Andersen

[Howard Brown]

Would a name like Andersen Jungstedt float ? Possibly the name Andersen was assumed to be the surname and Jungstedt misinterpreted by the cops as being Yungstreet ?
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Anderson could work as a first name also. If it's a typo, I was also thinking maybe the name Yungstreet is August or Augustin.

There's plenty of seaman's records for Frank Anderson, including probable ones for him at the Seaman's Hospital in London in 1891 and 92. Right now, I have a possible Swedish record for him with the name Frans August Andersson.

So "Yungstreet Andersen", who said he was there at the hotel the night of the murder, might be worth a thread, with "Frank Anderson" thrown in.

-M. Franzoi-

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

Thanks for starting the thread, Howard. (For those who don't know, suspect Frank Anderson was found through a painstaking process of elimination of all incoming Scandinavians and Germans in the available records named Frank who arrived in New York in March and April of 1891. After finding 32 year old Swedish sailor Frank Anderson and not being able to eliminate him, he became the working candidate and that's when we found a character named Yungstreet Anderson who was arrested on the 26th and said he was at the East River Hotel the night of the murder and was also a 30 year old Swedish sailor.)

Here’s the link to your file with the Yungstreet Anderson story and a link to the text.

https://www.jtrforums.com/filedata/fetch?id=590183

https://www.jtrforums.com/forum/the-victims/carrie-brown-discussion-section-howard-brown/588083-looking-for-franks-a-pdf-of-research-conducted-by-kattrup-m-a-franzoi/page7#post590176

Yungstreet Andersen (createaforum.com)

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Since we haven't identified "Youngstreet Andersen", I'll start with Frank Anderson and I'll give a rough timeline, giving the genealogical information rated from possible to definite.

PS I eliminated Frank August Anderson in favour of this Frank Anderson (no middle name) who had a sister named Augusta but his father’s last name is the patronymic Johannson. Johannes could work as an alias that gets reported as Yungstreet.


Frank Anderson


1858
Definite
Sweden, Houshold Examination Books, 1880-1930

View RecordBorn Hoby, Blekinje, Sweden 28 Oct 1858View Record View Record

Seamens' House Ledgers

View Record Frans Anderson Born 1858 Birth Parish: Hobby, Blekinge County (also recorded incorrectly as Gothenburg and Bohus counties)
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1880
Definite
Sweden population Census 1880

Occupation: Farmhand

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/?EndastDi...8&tab=post#tab


1881-1885
Definite
Seamens' House Ledgers
Search the Seamen's House (seafarers) - National Archives - Search the archives (riksarkivet.se)

Enlisted 1881-06-15 in Härnösand
Canceled? 1881-09-26 in Härnösand
Enlisted 1881-09-26 in Härnösand
Disembarked 1882-10-03 in Honfleur (Rymd)
Dismissed 1885 (Disembarked)
Ship: Amalia
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1886
Definite
Sweden, Houshold Examination Books, 1880-1930


Aug 13, 1886, he requested a permit to take a job as a sailor.


1886-1887
Probable
All Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935
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View Record

...Frank Anderson

....abt 1858

Sweden....

Bedford

Dep. Voyage 11 Nov 1886 Joined Nov 10 1886 Rotterdam Discharged Jan 6, 1887, NY, Deserted

Rotterdam, Netherlands to London via US Ship arrival in London March 2, 1887

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1891
Definite
All Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935
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View Record

...Frank Anderson....

abt 1857

Sweden....

Mary Frazer [Mary Fraser]

Voyage Dep. 9 Jan 1891 Dieppe Joined: Feb 11 * 1891 London Discharge: April 21, 1891 NY Deserted

Dieppe, France to Bremerhaven via UK and US, Ship arrival Germany July 27

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* Ship Mary Fraser (not whaling ship Mary Frazer with a z)

Feb 10 Arrived London

Feb 12 Departed London

Feb 15 Passed Isle of Wight

April 20 Arrived NY


1891
Probable
London
All England,Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital (London) Admissions and Discharges, 1826-1930
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View Record	Frank Anderson	...abt 1858	Sweden	From Whitby sailing barge Clara 2 Sep 1891 to 16 Sep Hydrocele much relieved

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Probable
Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Agreements and Crew Lists, Series II.

View Record Ship: Tarpeia; Official number: 72665. J Stevenson; rank/rating, Master

Frank Anderson; rank/rating, Able Seaman; age, 33; place of birth, Sweden; previous ship, Clara of Whitby.


1892
Probable
London
All England,Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital (London) Admissions and Discharges, 1826-1930
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View Record	Frank Anderson	...abt 1858	Sweden	From port London ship Bluestar 20 Jun 1892 to 9 Nov 1893 Necrosis of Skule For Work 508 days convalescent 73 days

1899
Definite
Sweden, Houshold Examination Books, 1880-1930

"Whereabouts Unknown"

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

One thing I've learned is that Frank Anderson's ship arrived in London on Feb 10th, 1891, where he got on the next day, and it arrived in NY sometime around the middle of February at the earliest until April 21st. I don't know if he actually deserted on that day or that's when he was reported as awol after a period of time had passed but the ship probably arrived sometime around if not on April 21. (P.S. She arrived in New York on April 20, 1891, Liverpool Mercury Apr 22 p.7)

Apparently, Frank Anderson was part of a group of about 10 sailors who signed on in London on Feb 11 and deserted in New York on April 21st, including Scandinavians, a Londoner, a New Brunswicker and someone from Falmouth, England. They had to hire new crewmen to replace them on June 2nd. So I think the ship was in the harbor for a long time, perhaps from late April to early June.

Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935, Key Word "Mary Frazer" (sic)

[Howard Brown]

Nice work, Mark.

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

If Frank Anderson is George Damon's Frank, then I'd have Damon hanging out in the bars with all the Popeyes who had just jumped ship in NY on or around the 21st. And he might have hired that group to do the grading job at his country home in NJ. It was only a temporary job after all.

[Howard Brown]

Mark:

According to Damon, after 'Frank' completed his original task ( grading ), he then hired him on to do more work.
What was once temporary had now turned into further employment.

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

What was once temporary had now turned into further employment.

The other hires would have been dismissed after the short term job. Now that I think about it, if you're hiring someone to stay and work on your home property, then you would want people that would "desert".

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

Do you think Frank would have been able to escape the "dragnet"? They rounded up about a dozen including one named "Henry Young" and an unnamed man from the steamer Philadelphia.

Manitoba Daily Free Press Winnipeg, Canada 27 April 1891 SEARCHING FOR JACK THE POLICE DRAG NET SWEEPING NEW YORK'S SLUMS About a Dozen Possible Murderers Have Been Rounded Up by Inspector Byrnes and His Men - The Murdered Woman

https://www.casebook.org/press_repor...ss/910427.html

[Howard Brown]

What was once temporary had now turned into further employment.

The other hires would have been dismissed after the short term job. Now that I think about it, if you're hiring someone to stay and work on your home property, then you would want people that would "desert".

Mark...I don't follow....the underlined part.
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Do you think Frank would have been able to escape the "dragnet"?


IF Glenmore Man was the murderer, yes I do. He had an eight hour head start on the police. When Jennings entered the Oak Street Station and told the cops what had gone down, it had been 7 1/2- 8 hours since the murder. He'd have been able to get to Cranford around 3:30 A.M on the Central Jersey Railroad. according to a bona fide expert on Cranford train times in the 1890's....a pal of mine in Cranford named Berne Wagenblast.

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

I added a couple of more possible crew records for Frank Anderson (year of birth given as 55 or 56 instead of 58 or 57).

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

The other hires would have been dismissed after the short term job. Now that I think about it, if you're hiring someone to stay and work on your home property, then you would want people that would "desert".

Mark...I don't follow....the underlined part.
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Do you think Frank would have been able to escape the "dragnet"?


IF Glenmore Man was the murderer, yes I do. He had an eight hour head start on the police. When Jennings entered the Oak Street Station and told the cops what had gone down, it had been 7 1/2- 8 hours since the murder. He'd have been able to get to Cranford around 3:30 A.M on the Central Jersey Railroad. according to a bona fide expert on Cranford train times in the 1890's....a pal of mine in Cranford named Berne Wagenblast.

I meant that you'd want these hired guests to leave at some point. So hiring "deserters" doesn't necessarily go against one's better judgement.

As for the dragnet, it was still going on three days later. If Frank is the killer and he hightailed it to NJ on the 24th but then left NJ on the 25th and went back to NY, he'd be right in the middle of it. Yungstreet Anderson was reported arrested on the afternoon of the 26th.

[Howard Brown]

Mark;

The manhunt went on into May. I located an article from May 7 or 8 where an Edwin Smith was picked up because he resembled C. Kniclo/Glenmore Man. ...

Third post :

https://www.jtrforums.com/forum/the-victims/carrie-brown-discussion-section-howard-brown/587247-the-2022-report#post587250

but then left NJ on the 25th and went back to NY, he'd be right in the middle of it. Yungstreet Anderson was reported arrested on the afternoon of the 26th.

Not a bad idea, to be sure....but according to Damon, the Farmhand stuck around for 5 ( one report stated 10) days. Even if he had left 5 days later, the manhunt was still underway,. One of Byrne's men, might have been O'Connor or either McCluskey, went to New Haven, Connecticut to check into someone and Byrnes contacted Washington, D. C. about something...possibly the 'Riggs Hotel' letter writer. Not certain if that's the reason, but Byrnes had received missives from someone in D.C. before the last Riggs Hotel letter was mentioned in the papers.. Posted just to show that the NYPD were taking C. Kniclo seriously, if not as seriously as they were Ali...

I've always felt that CKniclo/Glenmore Man left earlier than Damon said....but objectively, he may have stuck around if pay day was 5 days from the 24th.

PDF is about the Riggs Hotel letter

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

I've always felt that CKniclo/Glenmore Man left earlier than Damon said....but objectively, he may have stuck around if pay day was 5 days from the 24th.

I feel the same way too now. Frank could have left right away the next day, the 24th, because he didn't want to have to face anyone and their suspicions. Damon could have been mistaken or outright lied when he said Frank left 5 to 10 days later.

Damon could have pushed the "desertion" date ahead as he could have pushed the hiring date back a month to muddy the waters and distance himself from the events so they can't be verified with details that could make him look bad. Then again, he could of forgot. The main thing is to be able to discard elements of Damon's fishy timeline.

That's why Frank Anderson who arrived in NY 3 days before the murder and Yungstreet Anderson who was arrested two days after remain viable.

[Howard Brown]

The main thing is to be able to discard elements of Damon's fishy timeline.

Not only is the timeline fishy, at least to us, but significant mnemonical lapses and a boatload of excuses for not coming forward in 1891 are definite issues worth re-examining. Don't worry, I do it every day, eight days a week.
Taking that timeline apart is always a priority with me.

That's why Frank Anderson who arrived in NY 3 days before the murder and Yungstreet Anderson who was arrested two days after remain viable.

Agreed, Mark. Many people can escape the long arm of the law by the way they present themselves and especially if they're accustomed to being braced by cops. Most of the sailors and habitues of the Lower East Side docks had either been in jail or had a run-in which nearly put them in jail. It's the nature of the beast..


One serious internal issue with the Damon story is that when he went home on the 24th after work is that he knew of the murder along with the fact his farmhand had gotten shit face somewhere...almost certainly, in Damon's mind, in Manhattan.

I think it's highly likely that the thought occurred to Damon that the Farmhand might have been in the vicinity of where the murder happened in consideration to the time the crime occurred and the time the farmhand had returned to safe as milk Cranford.

[Markus Aurelius Franzoi]

Here's the information I got on Frank Anderson from the Sailors House Records.

Anderson, Frans
Sailor's house - ledger

Name Anderson, Frans
Date of birth 1858
Birth parish Hobby
Home parish Hobby
Marital status: Unmarried
Sailor's House Härnösand
Registration number79
Rent / salary SEK 20
Position / ProfessionJungman
Enlisted 1881-09-26 in Härnösand
Disembarked 1882-10-03 in Honfleur (Rymd)
NameAmalia (Ship)
Home Port Härnösand
Destination Palma
Registerton308.04
Kapten J.E. Nyberg
Other Enl. the roll also signed on 1882-11-10 with signature.
ArchiveSjömanshusets i Härnösand arkiv (SE / HLA / 1170004)
Volume EIII: 31
Established by the National Archives SVAR-Swedish archive information

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/sjomanshus?Fornamn=frans&Efternamn=anderson&DatumFran=1855&DatumTill=1859&AvanceradSok=False&page=1&postid=Sjoman_liggare_559092&tab=post#tab