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  • Kate Eddowes - Balladeer?

    Am I right in thinking that the only evidence that exists that línks Catherine Eddowes to gallows ballads is a newspaper article that says she and Thomas Conway used to sell them? And there is no evidence at all that she and/or Conway actually wrote them?

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    Originally posted by Matt Hood View Post
    Am I right in thinking that the only evidence that exists that línks Catherine Eddowes to gallows ballads is a newspaper article that says she and Thomas Conway used to sell them? And there is no evidence at all that she and/or Conway actually wrote them?
    Hi Matt,

    As far as I’m aware, there is no contemporary report that mentions either of them writing or selling ballads. The idea seems to have originated in an article which appeared in 1995 in a rather odd publication called The Black Country Bugle.

    Gary

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    • #3
      I found one :


      He climbed upon the gallows
      His face was set and grim
      The noose was tightened round his neck
      And that was the end of him

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      • #4
        Thanks Robert.

        You hum it and I'll play it.

        Rgds
        John

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        • #5
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7sinEPUWnDc

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          • #6
            My guess would be that, having discovered that Eddowes’ cousin had been hanged for murder and was the subject of a gallows ballad, the Black Country Bugle author reverse-engineered Eddowes’ and Conways’ attendance at the execution and Conway’s authorship of the ballad. HR goes one step further by imagining that Kate had a hand in its creation, and that has since been developed even further into Kate having been a successful ballad writer.

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            • #7
              And we're the ones who take suspect sources at face value? Numpty.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Matt Hood View Post
                And we're the ones who take suspect sources at face value? Numpty.
                In fairness, HR does echo Jarrett Kobek’s reservations about the reliability of the Bugle’s account. But that doesn’t stop her from naming one of her chapters The Ballad of Tom and Kate and implying that Kate had a hand in the writing of the Robinson Ballad. Her reasoning is that the personal tone of the ballad would fit with it having been written by a relative of the hanged man.

                The fact is that the tone of the ballad is traditional, and some of the actual words can be found in other gallows ballads which were not written about a cousin of Kate Eddowes.��

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                • #9
                  By my calculations, Kate must have been half way through writing her 3rd Symphony when Jack struck.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                    By my calculations, Kate must have been half way through writing her 3rd Symphony when Jack struck.
                    The same thing had happened to him earlier that night.

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                    • #11
                      If you add in Kelly's singing, Jack was not a music lover.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                        If you add in Kelly's singing, Jack was not a music lover.
                        They say the blind have acute hearing.

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                        • #13
                          And can be dangerous when they start swinging their batons.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                            And can be dangerous when they start swinging their batons.
                            Or, in the case of Kos-types, their seedy bloomers.

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                            • #15
                              Or a religious nutter : remember, there are a lot of baguettes in the Bible.

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