Could These Be Alice Mackenzie's Relatives ?

[Robert Linford]

OK - some of those moths saw service with the Spitalfields silk weavers.

[Gary Barnett]

OK - some of those moths saw service with the Spitalfields silk weavers.

How still wears a pair of the 'Old Glory' boxer shorts they worked on.

[Howard Brown]

The thread has its fans.....

[Gary Barnett]

Free BMD has a birth and a death record for male Pitts (no forenames) in Leicester in Q2 1863. On the birth record the mother's maiden name is blank.

[Gary Barnett]

The thread has its fans.....

That's encouraging, How.

[Gary Barnett]

The moths have been sacrificed for the Leicester records:

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I've ordered the certs as PDFs. I've never done that before.

[Robert Linford]

It's a first for the moths too.

[Debra Arif]

The moths have been sacrificed for the Leicester records:

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I've ordered the certs as PDFs. I've never done that before.

I've ordered the PDF's before in other research but I was disappointed that they still took the same amount of time to come!

[Gary Barnett]

I've ordered the PDF's before in other research but I was disappointed that they still took the same amount of time to come!

Damn! That was the only reason I opted for the PDF, I assumed it would arrive on the day of dispatch.

BTW, there was also a Harry William Pitts, no mother's maiden name, born Q2 1863, died Q3 1863 in Leicester.

[Robert Linford]

There was a Harry William Pitts baptised Sept 4th 1863 - parents Henry and Caroline.

[Jerry Dunlop]

I posted this a few years ago but was wondering if Alice may have lived in Tottenham at some point? It has been mentioned she lived with a blind man or was married to a blind man who played the concertina in the streets. McCormack mentioned this was just before he had met her.

Echo, July 18, 1889

Promise to meet a man

Another woman who volunteered a statement was Margaret O'Brien, who resides at Tenpenny's lodging-house. At half-past seven on the previous evening the deceased was sitting in the kitchen with O'Brien and others. She was talkative, but O'Brien did not notice that Alice had betrayed any signs of having drunk too much. During the conversation she told them that she had had a pint of stout-and-mild with a man whom she knew at Tottenham that afternoon in the public-house adjoining the Cambridge Music Hall, and that she was going back to the same place, as she had promised to meet him again. Just as she was on the point of leaving, deceased took a short clay pipe which she had been smoking out of her mouth and handed it to Mrs. O'Brien, with the remark, "Keep it til I come home." She then went out, and witness heard nothing more of her till the morning. Mrs. O'Brien here produced the pipe, a short and somewhat blackened clay, which had been confided to her care, and showed it to her interviewer.

[Gary Barnett]

There was a Harry William Pitts baptised Sept 4th 1863 - parents Henry and Caroline.

So he may have died within a month of being Christened?

[Robert Linford]

The baptism may actually have been rushed through against that eventuality.

[Gary Barnett]

I posted this a few years ago but was wondering if Alice may have lived in Tottenham at some point? It has been mentioned she lived with a blind man or was married to a blind man who played the concertina in the streets. McCormack mentioned this was just before he had met her.

Echo, July 18, 1889

Promise to meet a man

Another woman who volunteered a statement was Margaret O'Brien, who resides at Tenpenny's lodging-house. At half-past seven on the previous evening the deceased was sitting in the kitchen with O'Brien and others. She was talkative, but O'Brien did not notice that Alice had betrayed any signs of having drunk too much. During the conversation she told them that she had had a pint of stout-and-mild with a man whom she knew at Tottenham that afternoon in the public-house adjoining the Cambridge Music Hall, and that she was going back to the same place, as she had promised to meet him again. Just as she was on the point of leaving, deceased took a short clay pipe which she had been smoking out of her mouth and handed it to Mrs. O'Brien, with the remark, "Keep it til I come home." She then went out, and witness heard nothing more of her till the morning. Mrs. O'Brien here produced the pipe, a short and somewhat blackened clay, which had been confided to her care, and showed it to her interviewer.

Thanks for that, Jerry.

I'm sure one of the characters you were interested in a few months back had a Peterborough background?

[Jerry Dunlop]

Thanks for that, Jerry.

I'm sure one of the characters you were interested in a few months back had a Peterborough background?

Hi Gary,

Yes, but I wasn't thinking of him. Wildbore was born in the Peterborough district and lived in Tottenham, though. I was thinking more along the lines that Alice and Joseph Kinsey may have lived there at some point?