Could These Be Alice Mackenzie's Relatives ?

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

One thing I would mention is that both the Peterborough tramp and Alice Pitts had hazel eyes.

[Debra Arif Registered User Find all posts View Profile Close Debra Arif]

I think that might be supposed to be Keate St, Jerry. One of the Whitechapel Infirmary admissions gave her address as 11 Keate St IIIRC

The entry I was thinking of gave her address as 6 or 8 Lower Keate Street rrather than 11.

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

The Male Pitts certs arrived this morning. The mother was a Caroline Pitts. The child was born on 19/5/1863 at 6, St George Street, East Leicester and died at 8 hours. COD was premature birth.

Not a word to the moths...

[Robert Linford Researcher Extraordinaire Find all posts View Profile Close Robert Linford]

At that address in 1861 were Jane Pitts, 63, widow, lodging house keeper and her daughter Bates M (Maria) Pitts, 23, servant, plus 2 male lodgers.

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

At that address in 1861 were Jane Pitts, 63, widow, lodging house keeper and her daughter Bates M (Maria) Pitts, 23, servant, plus 2 male lodgers.

Leicester born?

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

I've now sent off for Alice's birth, Joseph's death, John Joseph's birth and death. The moths are packing their bags. Some are grumbling, 'We were never treated like this at Mr Cates' place', others are singing 'You take the high road...'

[Robert Linford Researcher Extraordinaire Find all posts View Profile Close Robert Linford]

Mother born Rutland Barrowden(?), daughter born Loddington Leicestershire.


A disconsolate Mr Cates was singing "Will ye no come back again?" when he gave a cry of joy as five thousand moths flew in through the window.

[Robert Linford Researcher Extraordinaire Find all posts View Profile Close Robert Linford]

Jane Pitts, who had a daughter Bates Maria Pitts, had maiden name......Bates.


Could be her in 1841, age 40, with several daughters including Maria aged 3.

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are still missing Alice in the 1871 and 1881 censuses.

It's possible she was still Leicester in 1871 after the death of Joseph in 1867. Or perhaps she went home to Peterborough for a while before the bright lights of London beckoned.

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

As we have seen elsewhere, in 1871 Frederick John Wildbore was living with his uncle Michael in Leicestershire. Their next door neighbours were named Pitts.

I also notice that there were Wildbores in Castor and Ailsworth, the two places mentioned as being on Charles Pitts' postal route.

[Jerry Dunlop Information Extractor Find all posts View Profile Close Jerry Dunlop]

I think that might be supposed to be Keate St, Jerry. One of the Whitechapel Infirmary admissions gave her address as 11 Keate St IIIRC

Thanks, Debs.

[Jerry Dunlop Information Extractor Find all posts View Profile Close Jerry Dunlop]

As we have seen elsewhere, in 1871 Frederick John Wildbore was living with his uncle Michael in Leicestershire. Their next door neighbours were named Pitts.

I also notice that there were Wildbores in Castor and Ailsworth, the two places mentioned as being on Charles Pitts' postal route.

Thank you, Gary.

I think the Wildbores ran the Dog and Gun pub in Keyham. I know Michael was listed living there in an earlier census. I believe the family ran the place for quite a while. Up until about 1881 or so. Michael Wildbore was also listed as a schoolmaster. Do we know which school in Leicester he was working?

[Jerry Dunlop Information Extractor Find all posts View Profile Close Jerry Dunlop]

See "History" on this page.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LEI/Keyham

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

Thank you, Gary.

I think the Wildbores ran the Dog and Gun pub in Keyham. I know Michael was listed living there in an earlier census. I believe the family ran the place for quite a while. Up until about 1881 or so. Michael Wildbore was also listed as a schoolmaster. Do we know which school in Leicester he was working?

I'm not sure, Jerry.

Actually the Pitts family were a couple of residences away rather than 'next door'. The head of the household, Matthias Pitts, was a gamekeeper.

[Cris Malone Historian Find all posts View Profile Close Cris Malone]

Gary

What a great find, that Boston Guardian piece !!!

Indeed...outstanding, Gary!