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  • Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
    I'm not sure, Jerry.

    Actually the Pitts family were a couple of residences away rather than 'next door'. The head of the household, Matthias Pitts, was a gamekeeper.
    Gary,

    A further look at Mattias Pitts (b. 1811) shows he lived a good part of his life in Billesdon. Michael Wildbore and his twin brother Francis (Frederick Wildbore's father) were born in Billesdon about 1815. Have we put a connection to Mattias Pitts and Alice's family?

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    • Originally posted by Cris Malone View Post
      Indeed...outstanding, Gary!
      Thanks, Chris.

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      • Originally posted by Jerry Dunlop View Post
        Gary,

        A further look at Mattias Pitts (b. 1811) shows he lived a good part of his life in Billesdon. Michael Wildbore and his twin brother Francis (Frederick Wildbore's father) were born in Billesdon about 1815. Have we put a connection to Mattias Pitts and Alice's family?
        Not so far, Jerry. There may be no connection.

        Matthias Pitts's wife, Elizabeth, committed suicide, I believe.

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        • Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
          Thanks, Gary. Yes, I thought the weight difference was too big a difference to not be questionable.Unless Alice was maybe pregnant at the time?
          I think I was confused by the misalignment of the pages (again!).

          The in/out weights were:

          1873: 10.9/10.9
          1878: 11.6/11.6

          That's a negligible change over 5 years. And it's the earlier record that doesn't mention the thumb injury, so perhaps that occurred between the two prison terms.

          There is a discrepancy in the previous, though. 1 in 1878 and 1 in 1873. But since the records are in different names, Taylor/McKensey ('78) and McKenzie ('73), perhaps some previous convictions were missed. In which case there may be at least two more to find.

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          • Ah, thanks for that, Gary.

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            • Alice Pitts birth

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              • Joseph James birth

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                • Joseph James death

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                  • Joseph death

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                    • Poor Alice, her son dies, aged 3 months, in October, 1866, and then in February the following year her husband dies.

                      The baby's COD was marasmus, a form of malnutrition, and the the husband's phthisis (probably TB).

                      Interestingly, Charles Pitts's occupation on Alice's birth cert is 'footman', so possibly he was the personal servant of some high-ranking clerical bod or other, which might explain the family's decades-long residence in the Minster Precincts.

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                      • Thanks for posting these, Gary.

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                        • Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
                          Thanks for posting these, Gary.
                          You're welcome, Debs.

                          3 years after their marriage seems a long time for the couple to have waited before having their first child. I'll have to go back and have another look for Births 1861 - 1866.

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                          • CLERICAL BOD : Ah, the new footman. How do you like de livery?


                            PITTS : I like it very much sir.


                            CLERICAL BOD : Good. I'm making you a postman instead.

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                            • Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
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                              Hi Gary

                              Is this our Alice`s birth certificate ?

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                              • Originally posted by Jon Simons View Post
                                Hi Gary

                                Is this our Alice`s birth certificate ?
                                I believe so, Jon.

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