Could These Be Alice Mackenzie's Relatives ?

[Jerry Dunlop]

I'm not sure, Jerry.

Actually the Pitts family were a couple of residences away rather than 'next door'. The head of the household, Matthias Pitts, was a gamekeeper.

Gary,

A further look at Mattias Pitts (b. 1811) shows he lived a good part of his life in Billesdon. Michael Wildbore and his twin brother Francis (Frederick Wildbore's father) were born in Billesdon about 1815. Have we put a connection to Mattias Pitts and Alice's family?

[Gary Barnett]

Indeed...outstanding, Gary!

Thanks, Chris.

[Gary Barnett]

Gary,

A further look at Mattias Pitts (b. 1811) shows he lived a good part of his life in Billesdon. Michael Wildbore and his twin brother Francis (Frederick Wildbore's father) were born in Billesdon about 1815. Have we put a connection to Mattias Pitts and Alice's family?

Not so far, Jerry. There may be no connection.

Matthias Pitts's wife, Elizabeth, committed suicide, I believe.

[Gary Barnett]

Thanks, Gary. Yes, I thought the weight difference was too big a difference to not be questionable.Unless Alice was maybe pregnant at the time?

I think I was confused by the misalignment of the pages (again!).

The in/out weights were:

1873: 10.9/10.9
1878: 11.6/11.6

That's a negligible change over 5 years. And it's the earlier record that doesn't mention the thumb injury, so perhaps that occurred between the two prison terms.

There is a discrepancy in the previous, though. 1 in 1878 and 1 in 1873. But since the records are in different names, Taylor/McKensey ('78) and McKenzie ('73), perhaps some previous convictions were missed. In which case there may be at least two more to find.

[Debra Arif]

Ah, thanks for that, Gary.

[Gary Barnett]

Alice Pitts birth

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[Gary Barnett]

Joseph James birth

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[Gary Barnett]

Joseph James death

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[Gary Barnett]

Joseph death

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[Gary Barnett]

Poor Alice, her son dies, aged 3 months, in October, 1866, and then in February the following year her husband dies.

The baby's COD was marasmus, a form of malnutrition, and the the husband's phthisis (probably TB).

Interestingly, Charles Pitts's occupation on Alice's birth cert is 'footman', so possibly he was the personal servant of some high-ranking clerical bod or other, which might explain the family's decades-long residence in the Minster Precincts.

[Debra Arif]

Thanks for posting these, Gary.

[Gary Barnett]

Thanks for posting these, Gary.

You're welcome, Debs.

3 years after their marriage seems a long time for the couple to have waited before having their first child. I'll have to go back and have another look for Births 1861 - 1866.

[Robert Linford]

CLERICAL BOD : Ah, the new footman. How do you like de livery?


PITTS : I like it very much sir.


CLERICAL BOD : Good. I'm making you a postman instead.

[Jon Simons]

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Hi Gary

Is this our Alice`s birth certificate ?

[Gary Barnett]

Hi Gary

Is this our Alice`s birth certificate ?

I believe so, Jon.