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  • Aha! Looked for Potts etc but not Pitt. Yes, William and Jane, and a two-year-old called Jane. Unfortunately no image available.

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    • Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
      Aha! Looked for Potts etc but not Pitt. Yes, William and Jane, and a two-year-old called Jane. Unfortunately no image available.
      What little there is stacks up. Incidentally Whittlesey was renowned for its brickworks, which doesn’t add much other than a bit of ‘context’.

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      • stacks up..... brickworks

        Very swift, Gary.

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        • Here’s Mary Jane’s birth, registered at the General Baptist Meeting House, as were some of Alice’s older siblings.

          How/why did the family change from Baptist to Anglican, I wonder?

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          • Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
            stacks up..... brickworks

            Very swift, Gary.
            Of course, when I’m on a roll there’s no hodding me back.

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            • Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
              Here’s Mary Jane’s birth, registered at the General Baptist Meeting House, as were some of Alice’s older siblings.

              How/why did the family change from Baptist to Anglican, I wonder?
              Whoops!

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              • The switch may have been to do with their proximity to the cathedral and their role there. Baptist is a bit low church.

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                • Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                  The switch may have been to do with their proximity to the cathedral and their role there. Baptist is a bit low church.
                  Would a high-ranking Anglican cleric have employed a non-conformist servant in the 1830s?

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                  • Well, that's kind of what I was saying.

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                    • On Alice’s 1845 birth cert her father, Charles, is recorded as a footman.

                      The 1851 census recorded only 7 male servants in the Peterborough Minster Precincts census district:

                      2 Footmen
                      1 Coachman
                      2 Grooms
                      1 Household Servant
                      1 Page.

                      One of the footmen was in the household of George Davys, Bishop of Peterborough; the other was in the household of Marsham Argles, Canon of Peterborough.

                      George Davys was Bishop of Peterborough between 1839 and 1864. He had at one time been tutor to Princess (later Queen) Victoria.

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                      I have been in contact with the Peterborough Diocesan Office to see if they have any records that might tell us exactly where in the precincts the Pitts family lived and in whose household Charles was employed.

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                      • This may or may not be an appropriate place for this link but it could have deep meaning in genealogy tracing. It is a total surprise to me and could have to do with some spellings of Alice's name.

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CtWyh49Mms

                        It could definitely affect going back in history. The gist here is that Z, zed, in Scots is something entirely different and this short video explains it.
                        The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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                        • Just been hooked on watching some of the authors other stuff Anna...what an interesting collection of observations...I've had to bookmark him!

                          Dave

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                          • Originally posted by Cogidubnus View Post
                            Just been hooked on watching some of the authors other stuff Anna...what an interesting collection of observations...I've had to bookmark him!

                            Dave
                            Lots of good stuff on that one and also NativLang or something similar.

                            You are well acquainted with my special project and probably know I am no linguist and expected to find an alphabet in the VM. How ignorant I was! Language is about sounds and representing sounds in many different ways. It is so much more than most of us ever consider and all of it is fascinating.

                            We all know genealogy records can vary widely in spellings. I wonder how many different spellings of names came about because of things like in this video? In the case of "Alice MacKenzie"/Kinsey might the original spelling have been = to Kinnye, Kenny(e), etc?
                            The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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                            • Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
                              On Alice’s 1846 birth cert her father, Charles, is recorded as a footman.

                              The 1851 census recorded only 7 male servants in the Minster Precincts census district:

                              2 Footmen
                              1 Coachman
                              2 Grooms
                              1 Household Servant
                              1 Page.

                              One of the footman was in the household of George Davys, Bishop of Peterborough; the other was in the household of Marsham Argles, Canon of Peterborough.

                              George Davys was Bishop of Peterborough between 1839 and 1864. He had at one time been tutor to Princess (later Queen) Victoria.

                              I have been in contact with the Peterborough Diocesan Office to see if they have any records that might tell us exactly where in the precincts the Pitts family lived and in whose household Charles was employed.
                              Gary, I didn't see this post originally. Did you hear anything back from the Peterborough Diocesan Office?

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                              • Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
                                Gary, I didn't see this post originally. Did you hear anything back from the Peterborough Diocesan Office?
                                No, I didn’t, Debs.

                                I should chase them up.

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