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    https://collage.cityoflondon.gov.uk/...10XXLSg/323843

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    • Gary Barnett

      I?m currently thinking of Alice?s life in geographical sections:

      Peterborough,
      Leicester,
      London.


      And within the London section there are several phases, the last being the McCormack/Spitalfields phase. I?ve made a list of the known/implied individuals Alice encountered during that phase:

      John McCormack
      Jim Bryant(?)
      Elizabeth Ryder
      Isabella Hayes
      Margaret O?Brien
      George Dixon
      Margaret ?Mogg? Cheeks (aka Dark Maggie)
      Margaret Franklin
      Margaret Franklin?s son
      Catherine Hughes
      Sara Mahoney/Marney
      Thomas Tempany
      Isaac(?) Solomon Parker
      Blind concertina player
      Jewish employers
      PC George Neve
      Man from Tottenham
      Mrs Smith (baths attendant)

      This of course excludes her killer, unless he is already in the list.

      Have I missed anyone?
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      • Gary Barnett

        The (Solomon) Parkers
        Alice’s funeral expenses were shared by Thomas Tempany, the landlord of the Gun Street lodging house where she lived, and the landlord of the Tower pub in nearby Artillery Street. The Tower was run by the Parkers, a Jewish family, who seem to have had other irons in the fire. A few days after Alice’s funeral some members of the family appeared at Worship Street police court.

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        • Jerry Dunlop

          Hi Gary.

          Maybe add, Margaret (Mogg) Cheeks?
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          • Gary Barnett

            Of course, Jerry! How could I forget Mogg (aka Dark Maggie).

            Updated. Thank you.
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            • Gary Barnett

              I think the Mr Parker, landlord of the Tower pub, who shared the expense of Alice?s funeral with Thomas Tempany would have been Isaac Solomons Parker Snr (1827-1904). This is apparently a photo of him and his wife, Sarah (nee Joel).



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              • So my question is, why would Parker have put his hand in his pocket to contribute towards the cost of Alice’s funeral? Her mourners left from the Tower. Perhaps it was Alice’s local? But it’s also possible that the Solomons/Parkers were among Alice’s Jewish employers.


                ISP's son Alexander was also involved in the running of illegal gambling clubs, in particular one called the ?Victor Club? in the Minories.

                I?ve added Isabella Hayes and PC George Neve to the list of those who knew Alice in Spitalfields.

                The (?) next to Isaac Solomon(s) Parker reflects the fact that some modern authors say it was his son Alexander who was the landlord of Tower pub who contributed to Alices’s funeral costs. I have included ISP because he is listed in the 1890 PO directory as the proprietor of the Tower, and he was living there in 1891.

                A few birth certs received yesterday - just two working days after they were ordered. They provide confirmation that it was Alice?s sister, Jane, who gave birth to an illegitimate daughter, Annie, in 1861. The certificates for Alice?s older sisters, Martha (1840) and Jane (1842) show their father?s occupation as 'footman?, as does Alice's (1845). So for at least 5 years Charles Pitts was a footman, and the evidence of the 1851/61 censuses suggest his employer was either the Bishop of Peterborough or another senior cleric connected to the cathedral.
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                • Gary Barnett

                  Mrs Smith, who ran the bath house in Castle Alley, seems to have been the first person to offer an ID of the victim. Did she ID the wrong woman or had Alice used the names Murrell and Kelly?

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                  • Gary Barnett

                    Was this still the layout in 1889?

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                    • Both Mrs Smith, the bath/wash house manager, and the police mentioned Alice’s dirtiness. And yet she was, according to Mrs Smith, a frequent user of the wash house on a Saturday.

                      She was presumably washing the clothes/linen of others, and the fact that she did so on the Jewish sabbath is perhaps corroboration that her customers were Jewish.

                      Alice was a shabbos goy.


                      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qIige41_h1Q

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                      • Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
                        Hi Gary.

                        Maybe add, Margaret (Mogg) Cheeks?
                        Concern for Mog (Mogg/Moggy) Cheek, aka Dark Annie, who was also missing from Tempany’s lodging house on the night Alice was killed, subsided when it was discovered that she had stayed with her sister overnight. Mog was clearly something of a character, and she provided a little light relief during the inquest proceedings.


                        “Margaret Cheek was the next witness. She is a person described as “Moggy” by her familiar friends. The court officials had some difficulty in finding her. They called her name outside the door of the room, and there was an exodus of constables in search of her. At length she appeared. Of medium height she wore a light dress and white apron, with a typical East-end hat, ornamented with a large black feather. “Margaret Cheek’s my name,” she asserted, standing akimbo in front of the Coroner. “Do you spell it with ‘s,’” he next essayed? - “No you don’t” - it’s Margaret Cheek, I’ve give it ye straight, you know I have.” - (laughter). - “Well we want to know about the deceased.” - “But I don’t know nothing about her, I don’t. I lived in the same house as she did, at 52, Gun Street, wuss luck; and I saw her Tuesday morning.” - “Did you see her afterwards?” - “No I didn’t, and not since; so there,” and Mrs Cheek gave an expressive nod, and a wink at some of the jurymen, much to the amusement of the court. “That’s all,” added Margaret Cheek. “Oh and I’ll sign it right enough,” she retorted when the coroner asked her to so oblige him. Having placed her signature to the brief statement she gave another expressive nod to the jury and made her exit.”


                        Coroner Wynne Baxter further amused the court with one of his trademark quips, remarking that Cheek was aptly named, and Mog retired from the stage of history.

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                        • Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
                          Was this still the layout in 1889?

                          Hi Gary.

                          This is the 1890 layout.

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                          • Thanks, Jerry!

                            I remember seeing mention of a reconfiguration, but couldn’t remember where.

                            Did you manage to post that image without How’s assistance?

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                            • Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
                              Thanks, Jerry!

                              I remember seeing mention of a reconfiguration, but couldn’t remember where.

                              Did you manage to post that image without How’s assistance?
                              I posted it on my own. Are we not supposed to do that? Apologies if that is the case.

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                              • Clearly Castle Alley was somewhere Alice was familiar with, which supports the idea that she may have chosen that spot - whether she was there for a sexual liaison or not.

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