Could These Be Alice Mackenzie's Relatives ?

[Gary Barnett]

In the earlier Workhouse records 75-83 .....3 in Tower Hamilets and one in Mint Street Southwark it looked like widow of Joseph a Cabinet Maker
After that it looked like John Carpenter. I thought this must be John McCormack. Brilliant find by the way....Lets hammer this one !
Pat .......

Sorry just seen I am repeating your post Debra. Apologies....

Pat,

Apologies for the diversion, but it does look promising. Now we need to find Alice Kinsey in London...

[Pat Marshall]

Just found Alice Pitts in 1851 census living in Northampton, she was born in Peterborough her father Charles is a Post Office messenger There is a tree on Ancestry and they say she married Joseph Kinsey so its the right one..
Its listed under Alice Petts b1845 .
Wow this really looks like its the right one . Maybe chase up all her siblings and check if they all died as she said she was the last of her family.....

Pat.....

[Jerry Dunlop]

Just found Alice Pitts in 1851 census living in Northampton, she was born in Peterborough her father Charles is a Post Office messenger There is a tree on Ancestry and they say she married Joseph Kinsey so its the right one..
Its listed under Alice Petts b1845 .
Wow this really looks like its the right one . Maybe chase up all her siblings and check if they all died as she said she was the last of her family.....

Pat.....

Nice work Pat and everyone. Here is the whole family.


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[Anna Morris]

Looks like this could be Joseph Kinsey's death, found in UK BMD.

[Gary Barnett]

Just found Alice Pitts in 1851 census living in Northampton, she was born in Peterborough her father Charles is a Post Office messenger There is a tree on Ancestry and they say she married Joseph Kinsey so its the right one..
Its listed under Alice Petts b1845 .
Wow this really looks like its the right one . Maybe chase up all her siblings and check if they all died as she said she was the last of her family.....

Pat.....

Hi Pat,

The 1851 census entry was mentioned earlier, the occupation of her father and the address in the Peterborough Cathedral Precincts leave no doubt that this is the family mentioned in the Guardian clipping.

Gary

[Jerry Dunlop]

Hi Pat,

The 1851 census entry was mentioned below, the occupation of her father and the address in the Peterborough Cathedral Precincts leave no doubt that this is the family mentioned in the Guardian clipping.

Gary

Yes Gary, no doubt the same person as in your clip.

[Pat Marshall]

Alice Pitts had a son

Found this on GRO might fit with the story that she had a son...

GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 202
Joseph James Kinsey mums maiden name Pitts

Pat...........

[Gary Barnett]

Yes Gary, no doubt the same person as in your clip.

Hi Jerry,

The point I was making was that the 1851 census entry was mentioned on post 4.

Gary

[Gary Barnett]

Found this on GRO might fit with the story that she had a son...

GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 202
Joseph James Kinsey mums maiden name Pitts

Pat...........

Good find, Pat.

[Gary Barnett]

Looks like the child may have died shortly after birth - Dec Q, 1866.

[Pat Marshall]

Poor Alice lost a child and a husband within a year. Life was hard back then .....Pat.

[Gary Barnett]

All roads lead to Wandsworth?

On 26th June, 1878, Alice Taylor or McKensey, a 32-year-old laundress, was sentenced at Southwark police court to 14 days for being a 'disorderly pauper'. She had 2 previous convictions, the most recent being 7 days on 4/4/77.

Her distinguishing mark was a missing thumb tip.

Edit: Offence was 'drunk in a thoro'fare', not 'disorderly pauper'. The mistake was due to the misalignment of the pages in the Wandsworth register.

[Robert Linford]

According to the newspapers Alice's husband died 18th Feb and was living, appropriately, in Joseph St.

[Gary Barnett]

According to the newspapers Alice's husband died 18th Feb and was living, appropriately, in Joseph St.

1889?

[Gary Barnett]

All roads lead to Wandsworth?

On 26th June, 1878, Alice Taylor or McKensey, a 32-year-old laundress, was sentenced at Southwark police court to 14 days for being a 'disorderly pauper'. She had 2 previous convictions, the most recent being 7 days on 4/4/77.

Her distinguishing mark was a missing thumb tip.

Does this match the description of Claypipe?

Height: 5ft 5ins
Hair: Dark brown
Eyes: Hazel
Complexion: Fresh
Marks: Lost top of left thumb
Weight in/out: 7.11/7.13