Could These Be Alice Mackenzie's Relatives ?

[Jerry Dunlop Information Extractor Find all posts View Profile Close Jerry Dunlop]

Does this match the description of Claypipe?

Height: 5ft 5ins
Hair: Dark brown
Eyes: Hazel
Complexion: Fresh
Marks: Lost top of left thumb
Weight in/out: 7.11/7.13

Very much so, Gary. Nice find!

"The victim of the murder was about forty-five years of age, and was about five foot four inches in height. She had brown hair and eyes and a fair complexion."

Alice was missing a portion of the tip of her left thumb.

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

1889?

Clay Pipe was, of course, describing herself as the the widow of Joseph McKenzie as early as 1875.

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

Very much so, Gary. Nice find!

"The victim of the murder was about forty-five years of age, and was about five foot four inches in height. She had brown hair and eyes and a fair complexion."

Alice was missing a portion of the tip of her left thumb.

Thanks, Jerry. So the prison record seems to provide another alias, Taylor, and an alternative spelling of McKenzie, McKensey, which is very close to Kinsey.

[Robert Linford Researcher Extraordinaire Find all posts View Profile Close Robert Linford]

There's a report of an Alice McKenzie charged with begging in Peterborough in January 89. The judge let her off.

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

There's a report of an Alice McKenzie charged with begging in Peterborough in January 89. The judge let her off.

Thanks, Rob. The Guardian speaks of a visit to Peterborough a week before she died.

[Anna Morris Registered User Find all posts View Profile Close Anna Morris]

According to the newspapers Alice's husband died 18th Feb and was living, appropriately, in Joseph St.

The death seems to be listed for March 1867? UK BMD. I posted a clip of the general record.

[Lynn Cates Researcher & Author Find all posts View Profile Close Lynn Cates]

kudos

Hello Gary. Nice find. Kudos.

Cheers.
LC

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

Hello Gary. Nice find. Kudos.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn.

Thank you.

Gary

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

Alice Kinsey, widow of Joseph, a chair-maker, born ca 1846, Peterborough.

Alice McKensey/McKenzie, widow of Joseph, a carpenter, born ca 1846, Peterborough.

[Pat Marshall Researcher Find all posts View Profile Close Pat Marshall]

With the top of her thumb off ....Yip Yip Yip.....Brilliant finding that article Gary who would have thought it ....Now for Mary Kelly Ha Ha ...

Pat.............

[Anna Morris Registered User Find all posts View Profile Close Anna Morris]

Considering how fast all this information developed from a simple news article, it might be wise to reconsider if MJK used an alias and had a totally made up personal history. Many of us have searched and searched for a little tidbit that would develop into identification of Mary Kelly's family and background. Even though we have lots of information via the inquest and press, all we ever end up with is dead ends.

About a year ago I lamented about difficulties with MJK's background and someone replied that we really do not know anything about Alice MacKenzie's background. We do now, as of today! (Mary Kelly still = 0!)

[Pat Marshall Researcher Find all posts View Profile Close Pat Marshall]

Alice Pitts Birth

From GRO
Alice Pitts Birth J Qtr 1845... Peterborough ..Mums maiden name Watson
Volume 15 page 353

With all those brothers and sisters that did outlive her there may be a small chance of a family photo...??

Pat....

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

With the top of her thumb off ....Yip Yip Yip.....Brilliant finding that article Gary who would have thought it ....Now for Mary Kelly Ha Ha ...

Pat.............

Why not? Who'd have thought a couple of years ago that we'd have a photo of Pearly Poll's husband?

More research, less argy-bargy, and we'd have the case solved in no time. ;-)

[Robert Linford Researcher Extraordinaire Find all posts View Profile Close Robert Linford]

Hi Anna


The year is divided into four quarters for births, marriage and deaths - March quarter (January-March), June quarter (April-June) etc. So Feb 8th would be in the March quarter. Personally I prefer Q1, Q2, Q3 and Q4.

[Gary Barnett Rambler Find all posts View Profile Close Gary Barnett]

Hi Anna


The year is divided into four quarters for births, marriage and deaths - March quarter (January-March), June quarter (April-June) etc. So Feb 8th would be in the March quarter. Personally I prefer Q1, Q2, Q3 and Q4.

Not a Milligoon fan, then?