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The Witnesses At The Ali Trial

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  • The Witnesses At The Ali Trial

    Temporary spot for these 38 names.....I'll add data to each one in the future.


    Police Personnel :
    John Mullarkey
    John Connor
    Richard O'Connor
    Adam Lang
    Michael Crowley
    Jeremiah Griffin
    James Hiland
    William Frink
    John Jaudas
    George Aloncle
    William Mclaughlin
    William Winckle
    Thomas Byrnes

    Medical Witnesses
    Henry Formad
    Austin Flint
    Cyrus Edson
    Rush Huidekoper
    Paul Gibier
    Justin Herold
    Henry Mott
    Louis Schultze
    William Jenkins

    Fellow Cellmates

    Edward Smith
    David Gilway
    Theodore Miller

    Catherine McGovern
    Jacob Berliner
    Frank Reinert

    The Women
    Mary Lopez
    Alice Sullivan
    Nellie English
    Mary Miniter
    Mary Harrington
    Mary Healey

    Hotel Personnel
    Eddie Fitzgerald
    Mary Corcoran
    Samuel Shine

    ..and Ameer Ben Ali
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  • #2
    One person who could and probably would have established reasonable doubt was the night man at the Glenmore Hotel, a man named Kelly.
    I'll be damned if I can see any reason not to have had him appear. In the LVP, the newspapers were the only media. The story of Kelly and Tiernan witnessing a bloodied man were known to the police, public, prosecutors, and press...but the defense didn't use his knowledge of the man at the trial.

    I hate to think this, but the piss poor, unpaid services of the defense has made me consider that they believed their client was guilty.
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    • #3
      The trial began on June 24, 1891 and ended on July 3rd.

      For the Prosecution : DeLancey Nicholl & Francis Wellman
      For the Defense : Fred House, Abraham Levy, Emanuel Friend

      The Witnesses : One witness was summoned for the Defense by a representative of the French Counsulate, He was a doctor, Henry Mott.

      Twelve police officials were used by the Prosecution. One for the defense.
      Three medical experts were called to the stand by the Prosecution. Four by the Defense. Two coroners, Schultze and Jenkins, were also called to the stand.

      Three former cellmates of Ali's were used by the Prosecution

      Six prostitutes ( Mary Miniter was a prostitute and assistant housekeeper to Mary Corcoran) were called by the Prosecution

      Three hotel employees were called by the Prosecution

      Three people, a local businessman, acquaintance of the victim, and city engineer were called by the Prosecution.

      Of the 38 witnesses called ( Ali took the stand) :

      32 Prosecution:
      12 police
      6 prostitutes
      3 hotel employees
      3 medical experts
      3 former convicts
      2 Coroners
      1 engineer
      1 acquaintance of victim
      1 local business owner

      5 Defense
      4 medical experts
      1 policeman
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      • #4
        Despite the lopsided number of witnesses appearing for the's what it would have taken to 'win' the case.

        1. Since the Defense knew that there was someone available to corroborate Miniter's identification of 'C.Kniclo'...this man should have been called. This would establish reasonable doubt against the idea Ali was the killer. The night man at the Glenmore Hotel was written about in the press...the only form of social media in 1891. It is impossible that the defense did not know that he encountered Brown's killer. It wasn't a fuzzy, roundabout, description of a blood covered was a mirror image of the man Mary Miniter originally described before being battered and intimidated by a 60 day stint in The Tombs. The NYPD and Brooklyn police were searching for the man who fit her description several days after she provided it to the police. It was a slightly altered description by the time she took the witness stand.

        2, Call any number of the reporters who were present when the Coroner was in Room 31 to ask if they saw blood stains. Since 'blood stains' had been allegedly spotted and removed by the police, ask the reporters if they had seen any. Likewise, journalist Jacob Riis should have offered his observations at that time and not further down the road when the case was over with.

        3. Considering that the three defense lawyers were aware of Ali's character and his propensity for not put him on the stand. Yet they did. Incredibly stupid move. Permitting Ali to schlep around the courtroom holding a knife was borderline insanity considering what he'd done prior to this ( His antics, weeping, denial of established facts, etc..).

        Unknown to the defense, one juror was adamant that the prosecution's argument was bogus. He was for acquittal from day one. He acquiesced to voting for second degree murder. Despite Ali's stint on the stand, he still stood for a non-death penalty.
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        • #5
          At the opening of the trial, the Defense protested that the Prosecution had not provided a list of the witnesses they intended to use.

          I know that in our time the prosecution is required to provide a list of witnesses for the defense.

          I'm not sure if it was mandatory in 1891...unless requested by the Defense team.

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