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    Hi guys

    While doing some research I came across Israel and Eva's death details. It also lists family members and new/different surname.

    We have Israel Schwartz -
    May 21 1937 - The tombstone in memory of the late Israel Schwartz will be consecrated at Edmonton Cemetery on Sunday May 23rd at 1pm. Conveyance
    leaves 26 Princes Square, Cable Street E1 at 12:15pm.


    We know that in the 1911 census Israel was living at 26 Princes Square so nice link there.

    Next we have Eva -

    Eva Schwartz 1863 - Jun 1944 London Hackney.
    Probate - Eva Schwartz of 20 Fairholt Road Stoke Newington Middlesex Widow, died 29th June 1944 at Hackney Hospital Middlesex. Administration Llandudno 19 February to Lionel Shorts furrier.
    Effects 443 11s 7d

    It's interesting to note here that Lionel was called Shorts and was a furrier when they also had a son called Lionel who worked with fur. All comes together nicely with the last piece of info

    Shorts (Schwartz) - went to sleep on Thursday June 29 1944. Eva, beloved wife of the late Israel Schwartz of Princes Square E.1. Deeply mourned by her sorrowing children Elllie (Mrs Shear), Lionel, Daniel, Judah, Alf and Monte and in law Joe; daughters in law Frances, Fanny and Hettie; grandchildren and g grandchildren. Shiva at 20 Fairholt Road .

    This does lead us to Lionel Shorts info but as that's going into the 1960's i'd rather not post that info. There doesn't seem anything pertinent to Israel that I can see anyway.
    I will say he does leave a will in which he names a Judah Shorts as one of the recipients , so either he has a son named after his brother or his brother Judah also changed his last name.

    His marriage in 1914 shows he's using the name Schwartz still.


    Tracy
    If you're going to be two-faced at least make one of them pretty.

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    Tracy:

    Hats off to you if this is the Israel Schwartz !

    One question since I haven't been up to speed on trying to pin down Schwartz as you and others have....may I ask how do we know that the gentleman you mention appearing in the 1911 census is the one being searched for ?

    Thank you in advance and I hope you're doing well, TJ !
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    • #3
      FANTASTIC! Schwartz to Shorts. Makes sense but I would never have thought of it. What was Israel's profession? Actual country of origin? Poland or Austria/Hungary?
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      • #4
        Hi Tracy


        There is a London Gazette announcement for 13 Sept 1918 stating that Lionel Shorts, formerly called Louis Schwatz (sic) is henceforth to be known as Lionel Shorts.


        In the 1939 register, Lionel is at 65 Earlham Grove West Ham. His surname has been mistranscribed as "Shark." With him are Francis (sic) and Marie. Lionel is born 4th March 89, Francis 28 Oct 89, and Marie 3 May 17. Marie's two future husbands are indicated.


        Judah Shorts is at 72 Churston Ave West Ham. Judah is born 12 Feb 98, Frances same birth date (!) and Eric 22 Feb 24.

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        • #5
          Very interesting, Tracy.

          No. 26 was directly opposite Liz Stride's Swedish Church and next door to the Bridge of Hope Refuge.

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          • #6
            Like Anna I would never have imagined Schwartz could become Shorts! Well done on finding this Tracy.xx

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            • #7
              Apparently Princes Sq was renamed Swedenborg Sq.

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              • #8
                The Fairholt Rd address housed Etta and husband Joseph Shear in 1945.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                  Apparently Princes Sq was renamed Swedenborg Sq.
                  It was indeed. Shovel Alley was at one end of it (6 doors away from the Schwartzes). I'm not sure when the name of the Square and the street leading from it to the Highway were changed, but my mum was born in Swedenborg Street in 1926, so it seems the old name may have persisted in some quarters after the change had taken place.

                  Monte seems to have been registered to vote at the address in the 20s/30s.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks Gary.


                    Ah, Shovel Alley!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                      Thanks Gary.


                      Ah, Shovel Alley!
                      Nan used to char for the local Jews - a proper little shabbas goy. She always had a box of Rakusen's matzos in her cupboard.

                      I wonder if she ever 'did' for the Schwartzes?

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                      • #12
                        A post-war photo of Swedenborg (formerly Princes) Square. I think no. 26 is the house where the pram is (or the next one up).

                        The gap at the top of the square, to the right of the house facing, is the entrance to Shovel Alley. The bollard in the foreground marks the corner of Swedenborg Square, and the start of Swedenborg Street which ran down from there to the (Ratcliff) Highway.

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                        • #13
                          Looks very clean, and not too bomb damaged.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                            Looks very clean, and not too bomb damaged.
                            Yes, it does. The Alley's been flattened, though, you can see through to Cable Street.

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                            • #15
                              Ah, it seems the Street changed from Princes to Swedenborg before the Square - Square, 1938, Street before 1913. So that's that mystery solved.

                              (Apologies for being over-topographical on such an interesting thread.)

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